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Dungeon Lords: Review @ GameZone
   

GameZone are among the first to have a <a href="http://pc.gamezone.com/gzreviews/r21419.htm" target="_blank">review</a> of Heuristic Park's/DreamCatcher's action fantasy RPG 'Dungeon Lords'. They awarded the game a score of 7.6/10.<blockquote><em>The role-playing genre of the “dungeon crawl” has been a classic videogame staple since the days when Gauntlet first arrived on the original Nintendo system. Brought to a new level of prominence by games like the Diablo series, the genre has become widely popular. Arriving on the scene now is Dungeon Lords, a new game by DreamCatcher and Heuristic Park. Dungeon Lords boasts an expansive world, creative character creation and advancement, fast-paced combat, and a dungeon system that is both complex and engaging.</em></blockquote>
Post Tue May 10, 2005 12:33 am
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This is a bad review. Does not reflect the game at all
Post Tue May 10, 2005 12:36 am
 
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"Holds up a mirror" Show me the games reflection, please, yomama.

It is a fun game that needs a patch.
I'd like to hear your review.
Post Tue May 10, 2005 6:35 am
 
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After I had read the review I wondered if I played the same game... Dungeon Lords is unfinished crap. Just some dumbass fanboy could give this game a 7.6 but not someone who is trying to be objective.
Post Wed May 11, 2005 6:58 pm
 
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Kotor II was unfinished crap and got near perfect scores from everyone. Only two type of people complain about review scores in the 70's: pirates and queers. I don't see no ship parked in the driveway so go help your mommy with the dishes
Post Wed May 11, 2005 7:37 pm
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
Kotor II was unfinished crap and got near perfect scores from everyone. Only two type of people complain about review scores in the 70's: pirates and queers. I don't see no ship parked in the driveway so go help your mommy with the dishes


Ok sorry... based on what you're saying I'll change my opinion instantly of course. Are you just a fanboy or someone working for Heuristic Park?
Post Wed May 11, 2005 7:58 pm
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Pagan
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
Kotor II was unfinished crap and got near perfect scores from everyone. Only two type of people complain about review scores in the 70's: pirates and queers. I don't see no ship parked in the driveway so go help your mommy with the dishes


Ok sorry... based on what you're saying I'll change my opinion instantly of course. Are you just a fanboy or someone working for Heuristic Park?


Your wit burned me like fire. I like rpgs so that makes it impossible for me to be a fanboy of an action game. So I guess I work for Heuristic Park. Since I take it your not a pirate I hope helping your mommy with the dishes went well.

If you can tear yourself away from sticking your junk in your boyfriends pooper for a minute or two let me explain why what you say is stupid. You see, a lot of crap-ass games come out by big devs that I'm sure a sospisticated pooper-poker like you buys, loves, and defends. Everyone is so busy slobbing over developers like Biowares knob that they fail to realise that smaller devs, being creative, don't have to pop out a Bioware or Blizzard clone to be a good game


Then a small developer makes a game with a few flaws and of course needs more time in development (since the have 1/10th the budget, 1/10th the resorces, and 1/10th the clout with publishers). But all in all it is a great game that accomplishes what it set out to do. But it can't get a fair shake since little ass-tyrants like you, who only care about how super duper the graphics are only want games that conform to one popular criterian, causing creativity to stagnate and making sure only the big boys have a chance of producing a hit. And their hits are about as creative and new as the wheel. The same games are churned out with worse and simplified mechanics but prettier graphics, only to appease shallow and superficial buttpluggers such as yourself. The big get bigger, and the little guys get attacked for walking off the beaten path.

No one can tell me that Kotor 1 and 2, Jade Empire, and even Bard's Tale for Christ's sake, deserve perfect or near perfect scores and a game that is just as good if not better just for being creative and different doesn't even deserve a 7.6, and anyone that could possibly rate it as a 7.6 is a stupid moron who didn't play the game. The devlopers of this game should burn in the fiery depths of hell. How dare they make a game that isn't exactly like all the rest?

The fact is Kotor 2 was a lot less finished than this game, check and see if that hurt its reviews. If you want to talk about games needing patches, i guess you haven't played rpgs in the last 8 years. Unless you stuck to such quality titles as DS. Did daggerfall badly need a patch on release? Did Fallout 2? Or a billion other games? The bottom line is you are shallow, superficial, and closed minded. If you bought Dungeon Lords expecting Diablo 3 you're a fool.

Why don't you tell everyone what you would rate DL, then compare it to like games that you would rank with a high score and what your basing your not-to-be-contradicted statement off of and why.
Post Wed May 11, 2005 10:58 pm
 
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I applaud that post.
Post Thu May 12, 2005 7:49 am
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan
quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
Kotor II was unfinished crap and got near perfect scores from everyone. Only two type of people complain about review scores in the 70's: pirates and queers. I don't see no ship parked in the driveway so go help your mommy with the dishes


Ok sorry... based on what you're saying I'll change my opinion instantly of course. Are you just a fanboy or someone working for Heuristic Park?


Your wit burned me like fire. I like rpgs so that makes it impossible for me to be a fanboy of an action game. So I guess I work for Heuristic Park. Since I take it your not a pirate I hope helping your mommy with the dishes went well.

If you can tear yourself away from sticking your junk in your boyfriends pooper for a minute or two let me explain why what you say is stupid. You see, a lot of crap-ass games come out by big devs that I'm sure a sospisticated pooper-poker like you buys, loves, and defends. Everyone is so busy slobbing over developers like Biowares knob that they fail to realise that smaller devs, being creative, don't have to pop out a Bioware or Blizzard clone to be a good game


Then a small developer makes a game with a few flaws and of course needs more time in development (since the have 1/10th the budget, 1/10th the resorces, and 1/10th the clout with publishers). But all in all it is a great game that accomplishes what it set out to do. But it can't get a fair shake since little ass-tyrants like you, who only care about how super duper the graphics are only want games that conform to one popular criterian, causing creativity to stagnate and making sure only the big boys have a chance of producing a hit. And their hits are about as creative and new as the wheel. The same games are churned out with worse and simplified mechanics but prettier graphics, only to appease shallow and superficial buttpluggers such as yourself. The big get bigger, and the little guys get attacked for walking off the beaten path.

No one can tell me that Kotor 1 and 2, Jade Empire, and even Bard's Tale for Christ's sake, deserve perfect or near perfect scores and a game that is just as good if not better just for being creative and different doesn't even deserve a 7.6, and anyone that could possibly rate it as a 7.6 is a stupid moron who didn't play the game. The devlopers of this game should burn in the fiery depths of hell. How dare they make a game that isn't exactly like all the rest?

The fact is Kotor 2 was a lot less finished than this game, check and see if that hurt its reviews. If you want to talk about games needing patches, i guess you haven't played rpgs in the last 8 years. Unless you stuck to such quality titles as DS. Did daggerfall badly need a patch on release? Did Fallout 2? Or a billion other games? The bottom line is you are shallow, superficial, and closed minded. If you bought Dungeon Lords expecting Diablo 3 you're a fool.

Why don't you tell everyone what you would rate DL, then compare it to like games that you would rank with a high score and what your basing your not-to-be-contradicted statement off of and why.


Well, the fact that almost every sentence in your posts has something to do with homosexuality reveals a lot about your own state of mind. In case this should be an attempt to find yourself a friend to "play" with - this seems to be the wrong forum.
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Game is still crap...fanboy.
Post Thu May 12, 2005 3:27 pm
 
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This game sucks. The fact that other games were also full of bugs at the time they were released is neither a justification nor an excuse. It just shows that this is becoming more and more a bad habit. Dungeon Lords just has a lot of bugs and from a technical point of view it's fairly outdated.
I too don't like the 7.6 it got from GameZone. But more than that I don't like the written review which gives the impression that Dungeon Lords is a good game. Let's face it: It's a mediocre game at best.
Post Thu May 12, 2005 3:44 pm
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But yet somehow stripped down games with no features at all such as Bard's Tale and Jade Empire get near perfect scores without anyone batting an eye. I'd rather have a real RPG, but short of that I will take a feature heavy game such as DL over those other pos's.

People complain that DL had features removed such as character look customization. Neither JE or BT had those to behhin with. Neither of those have MP. Neither of those even have character creation (well, JE does and you can change 5 things (woooooooooooo) the 3 attributes and the 2 styles).

I think everyone can handle the notion that the amount of variability impacts the length of development of a game and the chances of bugs. DL has more variable in every aspect of it than the last 5 good selling "rpgs" had combined. How could JE and BT not get the little they had in their games right? If they didn't the 1.2 features those games had right, I don't know, they might have gotten a review in the high 80's or something almost as horrible.

You're a whinny pansy-ass fool. Calling me a fanboy is very inacurate as I don't like DL. I don't like action games. Just the lockpicking feature of DL is enough to give me a brain hemorage and the combat is difficult. The combat might not be diffuclt for others, like Gothic's combat is easy for some people, but for me DL is a very difficult game and I usually want to smash my computer after playing. But if my choices are the curent rpg trend of games like kotor and nwn, with combat so easy and sophmoric I don't even think it can be called combat. Or stupid-twitch combat that presents me with a real challenge, such as Gothic and DL--I'll take Gothic and DL. (well, not Gothics because it is insane, I have to play in Marvin mode just to be able to do anything and that takes all the challenge out of it).

But your still an idiot and superficial, and a big sissy girl. And about as much of a Pagan as a priest. Pagans aren't mainstream, you are completely mainstream.
Post Thu May 12, 2005 6:22 pm
 
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Originally posted by ionstormsucks
This game sucks. The fact that other games were also full of bugs at the time they were released is neither a justification nor an excuse. It just shows that this is becoming more and more a bad habit. Dungeon Lords just has a lot of bugs and from a technical point of view it's fairly outdated.
I too don't like the 7.6 it got from GameZone. But more than that I don't like the written review which gives the impression that Dungeon Lords is a good game. Let's face it: It's a mediocre game at best.


From a technical point of view this game includes every piece of technology it needs. If you guys are graphics whores why play rpgs? Why not stick to fps's? That genre is much more inclined to being pretty and technologically advanced. What piece of technology would have made the game achieve its gameplay goals? MSWord could include a lot more technology but seeing as it doesn't need them to do what it is supposed to, it doesn't need them.

Lets look at great games that came ouit with outdated technolgy: no need to list them as every rpg has and this is an rpg site.

Now lets look at this statement: "Let's face it: It's a mediocre game at best." Compaired to what and why? Where are you coming from? Whats not a mediocre game? HL2, Doom 3, Jade Empire, Fable, Bard's Tale, Morrowind? What?

Whats your ranking criteria? Is it features? Graphics? Mechanics? Options? Customization? Different Resolutions to choose from? What is it? What are you basing this statement on? technology? Did DL need an advanced physics engine to acomplish its goals? What vital technologies did it need?
Post Thu May 12, 2005 7:05 pm
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
But yet somehow stripped down games with no features at all such as Bard's Tale and Jade Empire get near perfect scores without anyone batting an eye. I'd rather have a real RPG, but short of that I will take a feature heavy game such as DL over those other pos's.

People complain that DL had features removed such as character look customization. Neither JE or BT had those to behhin with. Neither of those have MP. Neither of those even have character creation (well, JE does and you can change 5 things (woooooooooooo) the 3 attributes and the 2 styles).

I think everyone can handle the notion that the amount of variability impacts the length of development of a game and the chances of bugs. DL has more variable in every aspect of it than the last 5 good selling "rpgs" had combined. How could JE and BT not get the little they had in their games right? If they didn't the 1.2 features those games had right, I don't know, they might have gotten a review in the high 80's or something almost as horrible.

You're a whinny pansy-ass fool. Calling me a fanboy is very inacurate as I don't like DL. I don't like action games. Just the lockpicking feature of DL is enough to give me a brain hemorage and the combat is difficult. The combat might not be diffuclt for others, like Gothic's combat is easy for some people, but for me DL is a very difficult game and I usually want to smash my computer after playing. But if my choices are the curent rpg trend of games like kotor and nwn, with combat so easy and sophmoric I don't even think it can be called combat. Or stupid-twitch combat that presents me with a real challenge, such as Gothic and DL--I'll take Gothic and DL. (well, not Gothics because it is insane, I have to play in Marvin mode just to be able to do anything and that takes all the challenge out of it).

But your still an idiot and superficial, and a big sissy girl. And about as much of a Pagan as a priest. Pagans aren't mainstream, you are completely mainstream.


Right now I can only see one superficial idiot posting in this thread and that would be you Mr. "anonymous Guest". If you really want to bring forward an argument you should try to avoid being as offensive as you are. From the first post on you personally attacked people, fell back to name calling and cheap insults (which is btw not really an indication for wit so you might as well avoid that term).
And please stop repeating the same lame argument over and over again. What the hell has KOTOR2, Fallout 2 or any other game to do with Dungeon Lords? Noone in this thread rated these games, you can't even be sure if anyone here played them and you certainly don't know if anyone here liked them or not.
If you can't tolerate other people's opinion then you should stay away from forums of any kind.
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Post Thu May 12, 2005 7:23 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Anonymous
quote:
Originally posted by ionstormsucks
This game sucks. The fact that other games were also full of bugs at the time they were released is neither a justification nor an excuse. It just shows that this is becoming more and more a bad habit. Dungeon Lords just has a lot of bugs and from a technical point of view it's fairly outdated.
I too don't like the 7.6 it got from GameZone. But more than that I don't like the written review which gives the impression that Dungeon Lords is a good game. Let's face it: It's a mediocre game at best.


From a technical point of view this game includes every piece of technology it needs. If you guys are graphics whores why play rpgs? Why not stick to fps's? That genre is much more inclined to being pretty and technologically advanced. What piece of technology would have made the game achieve its gameplay goals? MSWord could include a lot more technology but seeing as it doesn't need them to do what it is supposed to, it doesn't need them.

Lets look at great games that came ouit with outdated technolgy: no need to list them as every rpg has and this is an rpg site.

Now lets look at this statement: "Let's face it: It's a mediocre game at best." Compaired to what and why? Where are you coming from? Whats not a mediocre game? HL2, Doom 3, Jade Empire, Fable, Bard's Tale, Morrowind? What?

Whats your ranking criteria? Is it features? Graphics? Mechanics? Options? Customization? Different Resolutions to choose from? What is it? What are you basing this statement on? technology? Did DL need an advanced physics engine to acomplish its goals? What vital technologies did it need?


First of all I'm not a graphics whore. In fact I don't even care much for graphics but I still think they contribute to the overall impression of a game. Some of the best RPGs had superb graphics just think about the Ultima series which always pushed the limit a little bit when it was published.
There is only one criteria my view on a game is based on: Fun. Did I have fun playing this title. In case of Dungeon Lords I can clearly say - no, I didn't.
Why?
Well, first of all it has a whole bunch of bugs. Now one might argue that other games had that too. That is true. Fallout 2 for example was one great bug and I hated that when it was published. Still, there was something that kept me going... the game had something which made up for all the bugs, it was incredibly complex, innovative in its setting, it featured witty dialogues and an kick ass storyline - those things just compensated for its bugs. It was, is and always will be one of the greatest games of all times (imo). I just cannot see that when I look at Dungeon Lords. The story is not interesting, the dialogues are flat and so on.
When it comes to the technical aspect of the game I think it's just extremly unpolished. Destroyed crates hover in the air, the animations are bad, the ai is worse, the combat system is horrible, the world seems to be lifeless and lacks detail and so on. I guess I could live with that if Dungeon Lords were a terribly complex game but it isn't. It doesn't give the player much chance to interact with his surroundings. You can smash things, kill monsters, open chests and doors (and disarm traps) and talk to people. That's it. It's not like in other RPGs where I can inspect almost any item in the gameworld and get a detailed description. Still, the developers didn't even manage to get these few features right.

Now, I know this is all more or less a matter of taste. You might like a game or not and if you like it you will be willing to ignore a lot of its flaws. However, I think at some point one has to be honest and come to an objective view. Take NWN for example. I don't like the game very much. I don't like D&D very much and I think the storylines which were presented in NWN and its expansions were quite boring. But that is just my own personal taste. If I look at the game from an objective perspective I have to admit that technically it's near perfection. I've seen what people have done with the editor (I even scripted a bit myself) and I've seen the potential that the game has. And hey, even though I didn't like NWN it obviously did fulfill the expectations of the overall majority of D&D and NWN fans. Having a look at the official Boards you can see that Dungeon Lords obviously failed at reaching that goal.

From a review in an online games magazine I expect an objective view. The author might or might not like the game and it is ok if he expresses that but he should also mention the bad sides of a game. I don't think the author from GameZone did that. To say that DLs graphics are not that good is just not enough. He forgot to mention all the other nasty bugs and glitches which could be a pretty annoying factor for all those gamers who don't share his enthusiasm towards the game.
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