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DarkWeaver
A Dark Prince
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
Posts: 517
Location: The Netherlands |
Yes only one....just for safety....  |
Sat May 01, 2004 3:03 am |
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Joeman
Protector of the Realm
Joined: 03 Jan 2004
Posts: 254
Location: USA |
I have a handgun for self protection at home. It's safely locked away.
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Kayla
High Emperor
Joined: 26 Nov 2002
Posts: 2114
Location: Australia |
Never have and never will. As I figure it, if I need to carry a gun with me for "protection" there is as much chance by the time I got the gun out of my bag and got a shot off the mugger/rapist/murderer would have had the time to wrestle it off me and use it against me.
Home protection. It would need to be locked up pretty safe which means time to get it out of the secure position, again allowing time for the bad guy to wrestle it off me and use it against me.
Also, a wack in the.... family jewels or a good hard wack under the nose can take someone down as quickly as a bullet and allow time to get away.
The American consitution says all Americans have the right to bear arms, but does that mean that everyone should be able to keep scud missles, rocket lauchers or napalm etc.... or was it meant to be bare- meaning everyone could wear singlet tops?
It's like saying homosexuality is an abomination according to the bible- ok, yes it is, but the bible also says I can sell my children into slavery and it is a sin to keep two crops in the one field. Just because an old book or piece of parchment says you can do it doesn't make it right.
More people who keep guns for protection shoot someone they love than an intruder. I don't think it's worth the risk.
I agree with Gorath.
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Sat May 01, 2004 9:29 am |
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goshuto
Wanderer
Joined: 29 May 2002
Posts: 1142
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quote:
Originally posted by Kayla
but the bible also says I can sell my children into slavery and it is a sin to keep two crops in the one field
No, it doesn't.
By the way, what's up with all these old threads resurfacing, anyway? |
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Sat May 01, 2004 12:46 pm |
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Kayla
High Emperor
Joined: 26 Nov 2002
Posts: 2114
Location: Australia |
Exodus 21:7, Leviticus 19:19.
Don't know why old threads are resurfacing- but it's good to revisit older discussions in case someone has changed their opinion... or new people have an opinion they would like to share.
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Sat May 01, 2004 2:47 pm |
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Iron Man
Dazed and Confused
Joined: 07 Dec 2002
Posts: 773
Location: Location Location |
I'll be firing one of these next weekend, the 7.62 Cadet Target Rifle. I'll be representing my school and Company in the Northern Ireland Skill At Arms Meeting (NISAAM)
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Sat May 01, 2004 3:11 pm |
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goshuto
Wanderer
Joined: 29 May 2002
Posts: 1142
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quote:
Originally posted by Kayla
Exodus 21:7
Does it say there that people should sell their daughters? No. It tells what happens if people sell them. Elsewhere, it also tells what happens when people do a lot of bad things, like murder.
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Originally posted by Kayla
Leviticus 19:19
You quoted it out of context. Read the entire verse. It means that plants should not be "cross-bred," you know, a la Gregor Mendel.
And those laws are from the Old Testament. The New Testament explains in detail why those laws are no longer applicable (for Christians, that is. For Jews they're still in effect, since they do not believe in the New Testament). |
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Sat May 01, 2004 8:46 pm |
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piln
High Emperor
Joined: 22 May 2003
Posts: 906
Location: Leeds, UK |
quote:
Originally posted by goshuto
And those laws are from the Old Testament. The New Testament explains in detail why those laws are no longer applicable...
Hey, that's like one of those, watcha call 'em... ammendments! Whatever the details, I agree with Kayla's point that sticking like glue to any document, especially a very old one that's been ammended a-plenty, is a mistake. People use it as an excuse not to engage their brains.
I don't own a firearm. I do own a Dreamcast light gun. It's quite heavy, so I could probably use it to pistol-whup intruders... here in the UK, crooks only come armed with sticks and foul language, so I might manage it if I get the drop on 'em. Then again, here in the UK the aforementioned whupping would probably land me in prison for "assault with a deadly weapon," while the vanquished burglar would receive counselling and compensation. Funny old world, eh? If that's the trouble I get for protecting my home with a blunt implement, I might as well just buy a gun and shoot the buggers.
Hmmmm. I've forgotten what my opinion is.
Man, I was away from RPGDot for a few days and when I returned it looked like the AOT forum had been turned upside-down: all the juicy conversations I was enjoying were buried under several layers of old crust. To arms, brothers and sisters, the culprit must be shot! |
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Sun May 02, 2004 12:42 am |
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Kayla
High Emperor
Joined: 26 Nov 2002
Posts: 2114
Location: Australia |
@Goshuto. You said I took the two things out of context... I did not say the bible says everyone should sell their children- I was just saying that you can- and if it is a male he has a chance of being released- a female though would like a life of servitute.
Lev. 19:19
Keep my statutes: do not breed any of your domestic animals with others of a different species; do not sow a field of yours with two different kinds of seed; and do not put on a garment woven with two different kinds of thread.
This clearly says not to mix seeds- the other versions (King James etc.) all make reference to not mixing seeds or planting multiple crops in the one field- they do not talk about cross-breeding crops, merely planting different seeds within a field.
The American constitution also states that everyone has the right to life, yet if you walk on someone's land you can get blown away. That to me says the right to bear arms is more important than the right to life for some people. Eg. Japanese exchange student in America that got lost on his way to a Halloween party. He knocked on a door to ask for directions and the owner opened the door and blew him away before he could utter a word. There were several shootings of Japanese exchange students in the US during the 1990's the most notable of which was Yoshi Hattori.
Look at the gun related deaths in Japan, Canada and Australia per capita against the US.
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Sun May 02, 2004 1:07 am |
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toby
Village Dweller
Joined: 31 Mar 2003
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will you people shut the **** up about guns. goddam lies.
1st warning. Don't use foul language here. -Val |
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Sun May 02, 2004 8:26 pm |
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piln
High Emperor
Joined: 22 May 2003
Posts: 906
Location: Leeds, UK |
Excellent reasoning all round, Toby... this conversation is obviously annoying you, so I applaud your decision to click on the link anyway, read up to page 5 and post a reply, rather than just go elsewhere - makes perfect sense. And thanks for pointing out that it's all lies... not quite sure which comments you were referring to, so I'll assume you just meant everything. Right you are. Thanks for sorting this out for us.
Nice choice of words too, and don't think nobody will notice use of the "G-D" word  just because you couldn't spell it. Potty mouth. |
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Drake14
Brigadier General
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Posts: 1310
Location: Around |
Yeah, no1 likes bad words, by the way, my step-dad has a pellet gun and my dad has a magnum
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Sun May 02, 2004 10:16 pm |
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piln
High Emperor
Joined: 22 May 2003
Posts: 906
Location: Leeds, UK |
quote:
Originally posted by Drake14
...my step-dad has a pellet gun and my dad has a magnum
Ahem, well forgive my saying so, but I hope (for your step-dad's sake) that they don't duel any time soon. 
I forgot until reading your post, but my step-dad owns a WW1-era rifle (might be an Enfield, I'm not sure). It's deactivated. An ex-copper firend of mine is a total gun nut and owns a selection of replica and deactivated firearms. He wants a Barret rifle, but I don't think it's going to happen. He does have a grenade, though. I worry about him. |
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Sun May 02, 2004 11:04 pm |
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Drake14
Brigadier General
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Posts: 1310
Location: Around |
Are there any M!Garand Rifles anywhere that you know of?
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Scribelus
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 08 Apr 2004
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I have fired a gun, mostly when I was in the Airforce Cadets, and I have a vague memory of my dad having a gun when we lived on base when I was young, but I've never owned one myself, or had any desire to. Don't hunt but I don't have anything against it particularly.
As far as "self-protection" goes, of course some element of fear or coercion is necessary in society to keep people in line - you can see what happens when there is no police force - like the looting after the fall of Baghdad.
However, I think the most important thing in civilized societies is making people see the advantages of self control and cooperation. In the end it's easier to convince people than control them. That's the essence of democracy.
On the one hand people have to be aware that if they hurt others there will be consequences, but more important is getting people to see that it is to their own advantage to help rather than hurt. If you can do that the need for guns and other forms of coercion drops dramatically.
Well maybe the above doesn't make much sense, but what I'm trying to get at is my feeling that there is a world of "the strong survive" and a world of "cooperation gets the best results", and I love living in the West because it is the most successful society in history at acheiving the latter. If I had a gun I would feel like I was casting a vote for the other world, where "the strong survive", and you better not trust people or they will try to hurt you...
Make any sense???
PS: Some suggested amendments to the Constitution based on Biblical principles.
1. Marriage in the United States shall consist of a union between one man and one or more women. (Gen 29:17-28; II Sam 3:2-5)
2. Marriage shall not impede a man's right to take concubines, in addition to his wife or wives. (II Sam 5:13; I Kings 11:3; II Chron 11:21)
3. A marriage shall be considered valid only if the wife is a virgin. If she is not a virgin, she shall be executed. (Deut 22:13-21)
4. Marriage of a believer and a non-believer shall be forbidden. (Gen 24:3; Num 25:109; Ezra 9:12; Neh 10:30
5. Since marriage is for life, neither this constitution nor the constitution of any State shall be construed to permit divorce. (Deut 22:19; Mark 10:9)
6. If a married man dies without children, his brother shall marry the widow. If he refuses to marry his brother's widow or deliberately does not give her children, he shall either be slain or pay a fine of one shoe. (Gen 38:6-10; Deut 25:5-10) |
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