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| Are you going to get Gothic II? |
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GhanBuriGhan
Noble Knight
Joined: 03 May 2002
Posts: 208
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I made this post in the Morrowind forums (wher it didnt get any replies  ) but it fits so well here that I hope you allow me to recycle it here:
Apart from the TES series Gothic was my favorite RPG of recent years and I was very much looking forward to the new installment. I bring this game up here because it seems, that while it seems to me that both games are immensely enjoyable, both have things that are missing from the other game (and with both, you might only realize this after having played the other game).
Some strong points of Gothic 2 in relation to MW:
- Best depiction of dense forest in a RPG yet (dense underbrush, many trees, plants move in the wind)
- Great depiction of rugged mountainous terrain, seamless world. Gothic does not use a heightmap which allows for more artistic freedom in landscape creation as I now realized - Verticall cliffs and overhangs add greatly to the look of Gothics landscape. The ability to just walk into buildings and caves seemlessly is also great, and I miss it in MW now.
- Fully scheduled NPCs. with lots of well crafted animations
- Full audio dialogue
- Amazing AI (foes follow you around obstacles easily, surround you, can be diverted etc.)
- More exiting combat, and combat moves change with skill increase
- Awesome Magic effects.
Some strong points of MW in relation to Gothic 2:
- Coloring, water effects, weather are graphically superior, as is the detail of most character and monster models.
- Freedom of character creation (only one hero in Gothic, although greatly customizable during the game - a price to pay for the full audio I would assume)
- degree of interactivity (lots of decorative objects in Gothic, including crates, books, torches etc. - being used to MW I find myself frustrated by this.)
- The construction set and the mods that come with it.
- The great amount of background info, in dialogue and books in the game (in Gothic books are few and short)
Both have a huge world, free-form exploring and an intriguing story line. I assume in the end MW will have a greater longevity than Gothic2, but I must admit that the depiction of a living, breathing fantasy world is more realistic in Gothic 2. And I think I can now refute the old argument that "sitting does not add anything to the game" it does. It adds immersion and rolplaying opportunities. Yet i had hoped for more evolution in Gothic 2 - there is still so little customizability for the avatar, too many just decorative items, still no real first person perspective. Its been said before but its even more true now - these two companies should learn from each other - if they do, they can truly create the next big leap forward for single-player RPGs. |
Mon Dec 09, 2002 7:36 pm |
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Elco
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 06 Dec 2002
Posts: 25
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quote:
Originally posted by Gothic Soul
Man Really Old that genre exist Before Computers. How old are you Elco becase you are from the midle ages. 
let me clarify. Computer Role Plaing Game -CRPG. they did not have computers in the middle ages, but I am well awar that dungeons and dragons has a pedigree going back to the middle ages. |
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Mon Dec 09, 2002 11:52 pm |
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dteowner
Shoegazer
Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Posts: 7570
Location: Third Hero of Erathia |
quote:
Originally posted by Joey Nipps
I know it is hard for some of you to imagine, but I remember the time before there even were PCs at all, when there actually was a debate amongst "geeks" about whether the analog or the digital computer was better and the only way to get data and programs into a computer was through punch cards.
All hail the Univax! Gads, that brings back memories... And how about those early calculators? About twice the size of today's PDAs and for about $300 you could get one that you could program (in assembly language) to play "lunar landing"!
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:48 am |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
@Elco:  I was just kidding but let me tell you the first computer was invented Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz in 1671 he was the first person to make a computer. That computer is in museums right now it is a Beast. But nothing compared to the Eniac in 1947 its weight is 30,000 pound, And it fills a University loby Completly.  Something of the History.
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 12:48 am |
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MoonDragon
High Emperor
Joined: 25 May 2002
Posts: 1254
Location: Waterloo, Canada |
Actually Gothic Soul, Leibnitz invented a calculating machine that could multiply, divide and take square roots. It was not a computer. Additionally, this is a blurb I found in a biography of Pascal:
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Pascal invented the first digital calculator to help his father with his work collecting taxes. He worked on it for three years between 1642 and 1645. The device, called the Pascaline, resembled a mechanical calculator of the 1940s. This, almost certainly, makes Pascal the second person to invent a mechanical calculator for Schickard had manufactured one in 1624.
The man credited with the actual first computer was Charles Babbage. Even though he hadn't completed it in his lifetime. Interesting tidbit is that couple of years ago, some grad-student built his Analytical Engine as his thesis using only tools and materials that would be available to Babbage at the time... and the end result actually worked as Babbage claimed it would.
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 3:31 am |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
I knew all that Moon Dragon.
But what Leibnitz invented was a computer It was activated in 1990 and it functioned very well as a computer.
P.S. Biographycs affects the brain don't read that.
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 5:54 pm |
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MoonDragon
High Emperor
Joined: 25 May 2002
Posts: 1254
Location: Waterloo, Canada |
In order for something to be a computer, it needs to be able to take arbitrary set of command statements and execute them. Babbage is credited with invention of such a concept. Even his first machine was only a big calculator. It was his second machine which is regarded as the first generic command processor.
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But if I'm wrong, please do provide us with some further reference material. I'd love to learn more.
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:02 pm |
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Elco
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 06 Dec 2002
Posts: 25
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you are all wrong. The Atanasoff-Berry Computer was the world's first electronic digital computer. It was built by John Vincent Atanasoff and Clifford Berry at Iowa State University during 1937-42. It incorporated several major innovations in computing including the use of binary arithmetic, regenerative memory, parallel processing, and separation of memory and computing functions |
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 6:16 pm |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
@Elco:*Wondering if it was just a comment*
@MoonDragon: You are very right but as right as me cause Leibnitz computer couldn't be able to take arbitrary set of command and excecute them because of the poor knoledge in that time in the Info I've read it says that they could do the same thing computer do today if he were born 100 years later. But when they activated it in 1990 they could make a better use of it.
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Tue Dec 10, 2002 9:54 pm |
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irritantnumber6
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Joined: 07 May 2002
Posts: 93
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Guys, ladies, friends . . .
Gothic really isn't 3rd person, as everyone keeps saying. That over-the-shoulder view is really a modified first person view. Third-Person is a game like Baldurs Gate.
In Gothic, you're still seeing the world from the perspective of your character, rather than pushing a little guy around the screen, like you do in NWN or IWD or Baldurs Gate. THAT's 3rd person. I maintain that all over-the-shoulder games, from Tomb Raider to American McGee's Alice to Omikron to Anachronox are modified 1st person games, not 3rd.
I do agree with what everyone is saying that Gothic, even though flawed, was not to be missed. If they do nothing else but clean up that wretched interface, I'll be happy. Ctrl-arrow up to use an item INDEED.
But man o man did Gothic plunge me into an alive-feeling world. The factions felt real, and my actions felt like they had consequences.
You know what else I appreciated about it? Its scope was limited. One of my BIG criticisms of RPGs, much as I love them, is that every single one of them has the save plot: An ancient evil is threatening the world, and only you can save the day.
I like that in Gothic you had to deal with this one circle of real estate, and deal with these particular problems.
I loved that by the end of the game, I could run cross country to almost any location -- I felt like I had truly gotten to know the land -- every hill, every waterfall, every creek and bridge. It was a very cool feeling. |
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Wed Dec 11, 2002 12:54 am |
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hoyp
High Emperor
Joined: 02 Oct 2002
Posts: 501
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JOWOOD bites broken glass..........
PB rocks |
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Wed Dec 11, 2002 3:39 am |
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Gorath
Mostly Harmless
Joined: 03 Sep 2001
Posts: 6327
Location: NRW, Germany |
quote:
Originally posted by GhanBuriGhan
Yet i had hoped for more evolution in Gothic 2 - there is still so little customizability for the avatar, too many just decorative items, still no real first person perspective.
I agree with your complete post except this sentence. G2 is exactly what I expected and pretty close to the demands of the (German) community after the release of G1. In the threads started by PB many people wanted G2 to be harder, longer, more to the point, less buggy .... and it should still have the same atmosphere plus better controls. Thatīs what they got.
True, Bethesda and PB should learn from each other. But of course they should stick to their own concepts. Watered down and somewhat generic RPGs arenīt what I want.
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Wed Dec 11, 2002 7:31 pm |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
I think the title of this needs to be changed to "Whos not getting Fun?"
Don't all of you agree?
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Thu Dec 12, 2002 6:42 am |
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Namirrha
Noble Knight
Joined: 03 May 2002
Posts: 218
Location: Utah County, Utah. |
There's no way I can avoid Gothic 2: it is my future.
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Fri Dec 13, 2002 4:19 am |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
quote:
Originally posted by Namirrha
There's no way I can avoid Gothic 2: it is my future.
Yeahh I'm with you and I can say you're a VERY Smart person
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