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d95err
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How do I buy things in shops? I realize that you can put the things you want to buy, and the things you want to sell in the middle of the screen, but then what? How do you do the actual trade?
Feels really stupid not to figure this out, but the interface is really NOT intuitive. Trying to invent your own way of doing things instead of sticking to a conventional interface is a classic, but unfortunately too common mistake. |
Sat Oct 13, 2001 5:59 pm |
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Lugorgo(theGermanGothicer
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Joined: 13 Oct 2001
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Hi!
You have to set both on the same price (like 14-14) then press enter!
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visit the German Gothic page:
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 6:02 pm |
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d95err
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Thank you.
Has anyone noticed that whenever a company really stesses that their user interface is *intuitive*, is usually means that it's *not*...  |
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 6:05 pm |
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Gorath
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On 2001-10-13 13:05, d95err wrote:
Thank you.
Has anyone noticed that whenever a company really stesses that their user interface is *intuitive*, is usually means that it's *not*...
Nowadays itīs impossible to sell a game without an "intuitive" interface, so every game has it. Iīm sure from the perspective of the guy who developed it, the controls are very intuitive. 
quote:
Feels really stupid not to figure this out, but the interface is really NOT intuitive. Trying to invent your own way of doing things instead of sticking to a conventional interface is a classic, but unfortunately too common mistake.
Imho this is true for the trading-interface and the savegamehandling, but absolutely wrong for combat and movement.
Gothicīs controls definately are nonintuive, because you have to _learn_ them. But my personal experience is that after 1 or 2 hours movement, inventory and combat become automatic. Meaning you donīt have to think about it, you simply _do_ it, *without wasting time*.
I personally think these, most important, parts of the interface are far better than average. So it was correct to implement them this way instead of limiting themselves to a "standard"=intuitive=mediocre interface.
btw., Iīm sure you found out how to trade 1/10/100 items. If not, simply ask.
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:10 pm |
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Lugorgo(theGermanGothicer
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Joined: 13 Oct 2001
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@Gorath Commoner: I see you are from Germany! Do you are in the german Gothic forums, too? I'm in the World of Gothic (WOG) forum!
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:18 pm |
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Gorath
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quote:
On 2001-10-13 14:18, Lugorgo(theGermanGothicer) wrote:
@Gorath Commoner: I see you are from Germany! Do you are in the german Gothic forums, too? I'm in the World of Gothic (WOG) forum!
I know you are. The WoG forums are pretty boring nowadays, too much spamming, so I went here. On WoG I used a different alias and was rather inactive. |
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:30 pm |
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Lugorgo(theGermanGothicer
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Now the Moderators want to kick all spammers so there won't be much spamms anymore. But now there is not much to answer in WOG so I answer here, too! |
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:36 pm |
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Gorath
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I like the discussions with peolple from all over the world. These boards are very international, and most people here know many different CRPGs, in different languages and from different cultural perspectives.
btw., the release date you wanted to know is 11/15/2001.
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:48 pm |
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Lugorgo(theGermanGothicer
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Thank you!
But what is: CRPGs??? |
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 7:57 pm |
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Gorath
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C=Computer. The rest should be clear |
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Sat Oct 13, 2001 8:05 pm |
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Lugorgo(theGermanGothicer
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I Know that RPG in German means "Rollenspiel" but I don't understand what the whole thing means! |
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Sun Oct 14, 2001 1:01 pm |
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Gorath
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CRPG="Computerrollenspiel".
RPG does not necessarily include a computer. Ever heard of pen&paper, LARP, and so on?
For example D&D, DSA, Vampire on PC are all licensed products based upon pen&paper RPGs.
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Sun Oct 14, 2001 3:53 pm |
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d95err
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quote:
Iīm sure from the perspective of the guy who developed it, the controls are very intuitive.
This is definately one of the most common mistakes in interface design - "this is intuitive for *me*. However, you need to do something that is intuitive for everyone else.
The most stupid way to "defend" a bad interface is by claiming that it actually is good, but the user is not.
It should be quite obvious that if an ordinary user (e.g. me) can't figure the whole thing out in 5 minutes, then its a bad interface - period.
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btw., Iīm sure you found out how to trade 1/10/100 items. If not, simply ask.
Acually not Kind of fed up with the demo though - you get a lot of quests, but most of them seems to require that you to go outside the demo area. |
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Sun Oct 14, 2001 11:39 pm |
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Gorath
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quote:
This is definately one of the most common mistakes in interface design - "this is intuitive for *me*. However, you need to do something that is intuitive for everyone else.
The point I was up to is that "intuive interface, blabla" is simply a nonargument, because every game _must_ at least claim to have it. Of course most games donīt deliver here.
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The most stupid way to "defend" a bad interface is by claiming that it actually is good, but the user is not.
It should be quite obvious that if an ordinary user (e.g. me) can't figure the whole thing out in 5 minutes, then its a bad interface - period.
I have to disagree here. You are mixing up some things. Intuitive means "you know without learning". Examples of intuitive
interfaces are virtually all FPS. They are standardized since Wolfenstein.
Intuitive says absolutely nothing about good or bad! I personally prefer a nonintuitive interface if itīs easy to learn and faster than the standards. Talking about Gothic Iīm happy PB chose not to waste hours of my time with masses of unnecessary mouseclicks.
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