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| Do you accept same-sex marriage? |
| Anti - homosexual; sinful, unmoral & unnatural |
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| ambivalent - undecided, unsure, mixed feelings |
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5% |
[ 3 ] |
| laissez-faire - noninterventionist, tolerant |
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27% |
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| Pro - deeply believe in freedom & equality |
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jmurdock
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Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
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Didn't mean to imply that gay or lesbian couples shouldn't have the same rights as hetero couples. I think everyone in a partnership situation should be eligible under the rules of the company or whatever. I just don't think it should be 'marriage'.
What I meant by freedoms is specifically of religion. As I said, the libs would like to see religion done away with altogether. I want people to be able to practice religion as they see fit. This includes christianity, which is taking a big bashing from them right now. They say christians are intolerant and complain, when they themselves are intolerant of christians. Go figure.
As far as Bush is concerned and the patriot act, and the democrats, I didn't say I was all for either of them. I would like to see people not bound to some socialist ideal that won't work as proven over time in USSR, and with national health care in other socialist states. As far as doing what they please, I meant no representation in government. We have some say now, that could go away in the extreme.
@Elverath
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:01 am |
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Myrthos
Spoiler of All Fun
Joined: 07 Jul 2001
Posts: 1926
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quote:
Originally posted by piln
The church has the power to marry a couple, which obviously overlaps with legal issues, and so it doesn't surprise me that the laws governing marriage continue to mirror religious views to some extent.
In my country getting married in church has no legal foundation. You are not legally married after that. One should marry in church because you belief in the exisitence of God and belief that a marriage is not a marriage if you don't.
Which is why I didn't get married by the church. I know that many people get married there because it looks great, but as I don't belief in any higher powers, I considered it to be an insult to those who do belief.
I'm however clueless as to what strange phenomena made socialism equal to communism and why these discussions always end up in a democrats vs republican discussion.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:18 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
quote:
Originally posted by Elverath
Ive come to realize that all christians sound like raving fanatical psychopaths when they talk about their god. Especially you Ammon.
P.S. there is no god.
Wrong, materialist. What makes you think i am a typical Christian?
Im a SCHIZOAFFECTIVE, and i am a MYSTIC, because i hear VOICES from other worlds EVERY DAY of my existence. I know more about God and reality than you do, all of my psychiatrists say i am a genius, and i am passionate about reality because MY reality is incredibly interesting.
Does that sound like your typical Christian? I think not.
Which shows that your judgements are worthless and innaccurate.
And also shows that agnostics are as ignorant as cosmologists.
Have a happy death! Because if there is no God, death is the END of us all, and this existence has no meaning or purpose whatsoever. So when you die, just say, "Im worm-food," and then die.
Well, my soul will never be mere worm-food. Ive been promised immortality by a being from another world in the universe! That being is called Jesus Christ.
I testify that Jesus Christ and God live. And i was atheist once.
P.S. there is a God. you just ignore him all the time.[/spoiler]
P.S.S. dont insult my intelligence again.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:19 am |
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jmurdock
Old Fogey
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
Location: the heart of acadiana they like to call it |
@Myrthos
Yeah, you're right. 
Meant an idealistic society where 'from each according to their ability, to each according to their need,' sort of thing. Many people here are afraid that democrats would like to see us become a communist state ultimately. I used socialism as example since this is usually the first step (though not always). Considering where dems keep hiking the taxes and giving people entitlements, who knows where it will end up.
Ok, enough of that, carry on all.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:24 am |
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Myrthos
Spoiler of All Fun
Joined: 07 Jul 2001
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quote:
Originally posted by Ammon777
Have a happy death! Because if there is no God, death is the END of us all, and this existence has no meaning or purpose whatsoever. So when you die, just say, "Im worm-food, or im wrong."
The last sentence captures my thoughts about death. It all ends there. Nothing exists for me beyond that point.
But why does that make my exisitence meaningless? Can there be only meaning to life if there is an afterlife?
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:27 am |
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Hexy
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I think the question should be "Does it matter if my existence is meaningless?". On the bigger scale, I think it is. Not that it matters to me. And, in the end, that's the only thing that matters: wether or not it matters to you.
That's a reson why a religion is comfortable.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:31 am |
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Elverath
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Joined: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 80
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You still sound like a damn psycho Ammon. Im going to sleep now. I would say good night but it would be a lie. And lying is wrong. I dont need some book to tell me that.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:33 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
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Risking that everyone will think i am freaky, but according to what i know:
Your existence before this life, before your birth, and enterance into a probationary state such as this (a material world), followed by your existence after your death, will give you great cause to wonder at the meanings of who you are and what life means. But by then, after death, you will know already, because you will remember what was known by you, a son of God, before the blinding of the veil over your eyes (memory). You will remember that you were with God in heaven before you entered Earth.
As with all esotericism, we are the embryos of gods. But few ever attain it. You are mortal for the time being, but a while after death you will discover that you are actually an immortal, and endless adventure awaits you in eternity. (Unless you join the Devil's cause, which will make you miserable with Lucifer in eternity -- that sucks, but thats how it is.) |
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:35 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
quote:
Originally posted by Elverath
You still sound like a damn psycho Ammon. Im going to sleep now. I would say good night but it would be a lie. And lying is wrong. I dont need some book to tell me that.
thats not news to me. i get called that all the time. im schizophrenic. LOL. |
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:37 am |
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Myrthos
Spoiler of All Fun
Joined: 07 Jul 2001
Posts: 1926
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It all comes down to what you belief to be true. Truth is not a universal concept. You have your truth and I have mine. Mine says that there was nothing before and there is nothing after my life. I only have this time. So if I have to make anything of it I have to do it now. There are no second chances.
But that's not what this thread was about....
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:41 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
I agree, mortal life is temporary. But back to original topic,
Now i can stand being around gays. I just dont like what they are like. But i am tolerant of them because being tolerant is part of my value system. I just dont think that they should have it called "marriage" when marriage has always in history involved a man and a woman. Id rather it be a "legally binding contract" than to call it "marriage," because unless they do that, then "marriage" has been redefined inaccurately. Marriage has traditional roots, and they are trying to tear those roots out of the ground and replace it with, umm, i dunno what they are replacing it with, but they are just tearing it out of the ground and stomping on it. That shouldnt be. Marriage is what defines a family, and a nuclear family is a man, woman, and child. They co-exist and depend upon each other. When there is a man and a man and a child, what the hell is that child going to do when he wants his mother? |
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:52 am |
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Rendelius
Critical Error
Joined: 06 Jul 2001
Posts: 16
Location: Austria |
Three things I have to add:
An agnostic doesn't acknowlegde that there is a higher power. I have to know, cause I am  . An agnostic doesn't rule out the possibility, but doesn't really care.
Yes, homosexuality is widespread amongst the animals as well. But keep in mind that as far as we know, animals do not have a concept of love like we do.
And calling the US democrats "socialists" makes an european laugh . In my opinion, the republicans are far right, and the democrats are right. If you think the US democrats are socialists, you must think that the british labour party is a stalinist party *g* (and we europeans think of them as a centrist party, really).
Final word: NEVER EVER mix up socialism with communism. They are completely different things.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 9:58 am |
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Rendelius
Critical Error
Joined: 06 Jul 2001
Posts: 16
Location: Austria |
Ah, and another thing: why must life after death be tied to a supernatural being? I can't follow the concept. And I agree with Myrthos: even if there is no life after death, this doesn't make our life senseless or useless.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:01 am |
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jmurdock
Old Fogey
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
Location: the heart of acadiana they like to call it |
As far as protecting that child from taunts or whatever, there's no way. Some goofball bully gets wind of it, finds it funny and there will be no end to the torment a child in a situation like that will endure. Let's face it, kids are mean. I'm not talking about taking a child away, because if the child came from a previous marriage, that child is his to take care of. After all the marriage may have ended in a death and made the poor fellow remaining a widower. But that kid will have problems, there's no doubt.
@Rendelius
It's the way dems do things. They are on the edge so to speak, they move further and further left. They may be right to y'all, but like I say, many afraid. It may never come to pass. I hope not. In any case, some say they like the communist ideal. The people here wouldn't take to it easily unless we became socialist first. An ever gradual shift. Many think they are working on our views and attitudes to make it more acceptable. I don't know about that. My ideas were running too fast when I wrote that. (I'm better now
But if it comes to pass, I think Texas should secede and all good capitalists come here!
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 10:01 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
quote:
Originally posted by Rendelius
Ah, and another thing: why must life after death be tied to a supernatural being? I can't follow the concept. And I agree with Myrthos: even if there is no life after death, this doesn't make our life senseless or useless.
Let me explain so that i dont appear fanatical. I am actually very logical and scientific. I dont believe in supernatural things, i think that is superstition, and superstitions are the result of ignorance in general. I consider Supernature are things like vampires, ghosts, werewolves, witchcraft, ect, which i do not really care about nor know much about (i am agnostic about that thing). The Spirit, or Mind-Ego, is not supernatural -- it is within Nature. Everything that exists in this universe is within nature. According to my religion (and it is NOT really Christianity), the spirit (along with the mind where thoughts occur) exists in a separate place (or outer plane), like in a separate dimension, just like Time is in the fourth dimension, Spirit is in another dimension. But those dimensions are tied in with the three dimensions (Space), of course. Space and Time are natural, are they not? So is the Spirit. It is as natural as Space and Time are natural occurrences. Spirit matter is exceedingly finer and more pure than material matter, but it is Natural nonetheless. Just because the naked eye cannot see it, does not mean it is not there.
So i do not believe that supernatural beings exist because i do not use the conventional meaning. What exists eternally is the Spirit, and Spirit does not die, and hence the only thing you are left with when you die, is your Spirit, your mind. The only things we take with us after death are mental and spiritual. There is nothing supernatural about it. Its all part of Nature. God created, specified, defined, and presides over Nature, which includes Time, Space, Matter, and Energy.
I have studied advanced physical physics sciences and esotericism philosophies, and learned that all matter and all things that exist in the universe is actually different forms of Energy. Spirit is essentially Intelligent Energy, a self-aware form of Energy. That sort of consciousness was not really created, rather it was organized by God. All matter is energy, and energy is eternal, so it follows that all matter lasts forever in various forms of energies. Energy was not created. Existence is no accident. |
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