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Shurik
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 46
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If MM X comes out i will not buy it. i will find somewhere to download it to see how good it is, if its worth it i might think about buying it. |
Thu Apr 25, 2002 5:17 pm |
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Danicek
The Old One
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
quote:
Originally posted by Shurik
If MM X comes out i will not buy it. i will find somewhere to download it to see how good it is, if its worth it i might think about buying it.
May I warn you that it is illegal to own copy of game without buying it also in cases you only want to try it?
You also do not take bread from baker, eat it and then decide if or if not pay for it.
But I hope there will be demo. |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:09 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 849
Location: Outer Space |
If M&MX were to come out, I would definately be very careful (I bought this one the day it was available) and would NOT buy it the day it was available. If the company did not bother to provide a demo, I would likely buy it only where I could return it in a few days of trial.
3DO has shown with this one they are not concerned with producing the very best they can. As consumers we SHOULD expect that of any company. As a consumer, I do NOT like having to say about any product that is is "OK" or "I like it... but". As consumers, we should not have to say "but" - particularly about a software product which CAN be thoroughly designed, produced and tested before being released to the public.
Understand that I do NOT expect perfection as that is impossible to attain - however, this M&M is far from that. BTW, just for the record, at no time did I say I didn't like "parts" of this product - if I had not been a fan of M&M in general I would not have bought it on the day it was out in my area. In fact, be assured that if this had NOT been an M&M game, I would have returned it after one day of play and received my money back. I kept playing hoping I would find the pearls - instead I found more and more "issues" that should NOT have been in a released game of a long standing series from an "experience" game manufacturer - this was NOT a first attempt so one cannot use that excuse for them.
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:11 pm |
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Danicek
The Old One
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
Yes, I agree Joey, but still no reason to download it from somewhere. |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:14 pm |
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Lintra
Elf Friend
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 9448
Location: Bermuda, the triangle place with SANDY BEACHES |
Interestingly enough, 4 years ago I would have disagreed with you. Now there are enough quality choices that I feel I can be much more discriminating … there is no way I can play all the games I would like to. There are many titles currently available, such as Gothic, that sound like a lot of fun and I will never find the time to play.
That said, I am still not sorry I bought MM9. Given the chance I would still do so!
But to each his own.
Live long and prosper. |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:19 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 849
Location: Outer Space |
quote:
Originally posted by Danicek
quote:
Originally posted by Shurik
If MM X comes out i will not buy it. i will find somewhere to download it to see how good it is, if its worth it i might think about buying it.
May I warn you that it is illegal to own copy of game without buying it also in cases you only want to try it?
You also do not take bread from baker, eat it and then decide if or if not pay for it.
But I hope there will be demo.
Danicek, I do understand you are being careful (as a moderator should  ) however....
First, I see nothing illegal in "borrowing" a game from another person in order to evaluate the game (particularly when a game manufacturer does not release a demo). I agree completely that to download a hacked game is illegal to avoid buying the game.
Second, it is very appropriate to ask for a sample of bread from a baker to try before buying. Further, I have (on numerous occassions) bought bread (and other food products) and returned the uneated portion to the store for a refund after determining that there was something significant I did not like concerning the bread. More importantly, if I buy the bread and then find upon eating a slice it to not meet certain reasonable expectations (not thoroughly cooked, etc.) then I firmly expect the baker to refund my money. Now this is more appropos to this M&M situation. This game has a wide variety of "features" that are poorly executed (maps that do not jive, poor npc art, poorly executed scripts, poor or nonexistant documentation, broken quests, etc.). These "features" can be likened to your "bread" that was under or overcooked, poorly leavened, too dry or too damp, etc. A baker is held to fairly high standards, auto manufacturers are held to high standards, etc., etc,. - game manufacturers should be no different.
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:22 pm |
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Danicek
The Old One
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
Yes, Joey I agree with nearly everything.
Only thing I wanted to point out was that there is big difference between
- try sample of something
- buy something and then return it
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- take it and say "well, if it will be really good enough, then maybe, maybe, maybe I will pay for it"
It is very big mistake to dont release demo. When I see game without avalaible demo I have big suspicion that there is reason for it , probably they have nothing to show. |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 6:28 pm |
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Shurik
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 46
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What i mean about downloading a game is that they don't have a demo. It pisses me off when a new "good" game is released and they don't make a demo, you buy a game and after few days or even hours you say "Oh my Lord, WTF IS THIS C**P?" Now tell me if that didn't happen to you. I experienced this quiet a few times. If they don't want to release a demo and "cheat" on us (That is if we buy a game and then we can't return it) i decided to "cheat" on them too. Personally i see nothing wrong in borrowing a game from somebody to see how good it is and i agree with Joey's post... |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 12:45 am |
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Danicek
The Old One
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
No, when someone "cheat" on us, it is not and never can be reason to "cheat" on them.
But I do not say that borrowing game is cheating.
But you talked about downloading not about borrowing. |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 6:09 am |
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Shurik
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 46
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And what about people that can't borrow it or get a demo?
How would they know if wether the game is good or not? |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:29 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 849
Location: Outer Space |
My personal feeling is that if you can download a copy from someone AND have the personal integrity to use it only as a demo (I have done that several times) - subsequently buying the game IF you intend to play it -- then that is perfectly acceptable. I am of the opinion that game manufacturers owe us demos - if they fail in that regard then we have every right to obtain our "demos" by any reasonable manner we can.
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 1:38 pm |
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Danicek
The Old One
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
I can not agree Joey. Simply because it is not so easy as you say.
If you want to download it, you need to install it. If you need to install it, you need to burn it or simulate CD-ROM disk. If you want to do this, you need to use cracked version, because not cracked version in nearly all cases will realize that you are not using original CD. It means you can not download it from friend but from some warez FTP (or something like that) or from friend if he has cracked version.
Lets say that you will like that game, but not enough to buy it. Will you play only first 5 hours (lets say that it is normal lenght of demo)? Will you stop then? Maybe you will, but I think that many people will simply play and play...
Maybe you will not agree, but I simply think that violate rules is not good way how to show to someone that he is violating rules. |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 2:19 pm |
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Shurik
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 46
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I totaly agree with Joey, and I agree with you Danicek. Personally if i download a game i use it as a demo. if i like it i buy it if not it is gone from my HD. But companies HAVE TO and MUST provide us with demos. |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:25 pm |
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Lintra
Elf Friend
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 9448
Location: Bermuda, the triangle place with SANDY BEACHES |
Software piracy should not be condoned under any circumstances. While I understand the desire to test a product before purchasing it, for each person w/ the integrity to purchase or delete an illegal copy of game there are many more who play it w/ out ever paying. This is a cost that is passed on from the producers to the consumers with higher prices and/or lesser quality.
I am afraid that if you can not find a friend who has the game (to borrow it) or a store w/ a liberal return policy, you just have to wait for reviews to come out. I feel so strongly about this that I have games in the original shrink wrap. These are games that I played and finished on a borrowed copy but wanted to vote w/ my dollars that the game was good. (Anvil of Dawn is one of those games).
There, I’ve gotten my daily rant out of the way! My wife thanks all of you!! |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 4:47 pm |
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Shurik
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 46
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OK, everyone made a big argument about this issue...but demo should be released for the games with titles like this.
One other thing, I've heard that NWC fired the team that made the MM9. Anybody knows if thats a rumor or a true thing.
P.S. I've heard it on some russian forum.  |
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Fri Apr 26, 2002 5:16 pm |
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