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| What's the purposse of our life |
| To raise a family or to have money |
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16% |
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| To enjoy while I steel can before I die |
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| Other write here. |
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Lintra
Elf Friend
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 9448
Location: Bermuda, the triangle place with SANDY BEACHES |
Okay, I'll play nice.
To answer the original question it is a melange of:
-To learn
-To help others
-To procreate (at least I sometimes feel that way)
-To appreciate
-To laugh
I think that about sums it up for me. The weights assigned to each change from day to day, but those five are pretty much the drivers for me. I realize that the format I've put it in leave pretty broad interpretations ... that is intentional (eg: To appreciate {[what I don't understand] or [art] or [a sunset] or [how fish swim] or ... } as different from To learn [how fish swim] or [why the sunset looks as it does] etc.)
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 2:53 pm |
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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord
Joined: 04 May 2004
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Xen, you are correct in that once a topic turns to religion, it pretty much dominates the conversation.
On a side note: I have found that talking about Jesus runs away pretty much any non-believer. If you want someone to stop calling or stop coming to see you or stop standing in front of your house, start talking about Jesus and they will soon leave you alone.
Back to the point...Religion had entered the conversation and did take it over but I wouldn't call that a contamination, the thread was obviously going to end up at religion from the beginning. It specifically asks a religious question.
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The opening post in this thread. By patriot
Some times I wonder about life.Why I've been created and what's the purpose of the life.I also wonder if the people around me feel the same with me(I mean pain taste of the food and that)like me.I also wonder what was before the univerce and if there's a god why have he created us.Also what's over the god and how he created himself.I'm confused with all those questions.
The natural progression of the thread is to ask, 1) "Who or what put us here" and 2)"Why did they put us here." Without considering these two questions you can not consider the thread.
It would not be a bad idea to split the thread, though.
On the Christian topics.
@Kiwi Boy
Relax...Undertaker said he believes in God. If that is true, in time he will go to church of his own accord. Christian behavior is a symptom of belief. All people are at different phases in life and Christian life. Now he sees the fallacies in the people in church, and they have many faults. No one is perfect. There will be a time when he will seek to be closer to God in spite of the imperfect people at church. But no one gains if you persecute him because he does not go the church as much as you do.
@Chekote
I disagree with one thing you said. Most of the time the Pastor of the church is less of a sinner than most of the congregation. His transgressions are just under the spotlight because he is in front of everybody trying to teach them. If you looked at everyone's entire life, not all but most pastors' sins would be fewer than those of most members and of lessor consequence. Often people get discouraged because the people at church are not perfect. Not realizing that we go to church to follow God, not the people.
I often attend churches where all of the people are poor, many of the people are unemployed and most of the people wear their everyday clothes, because they can not afford suits. These churches often don't pay their Pastor anything, and when they do pay it is a small amount (the Pastor still has to have a full-time job). Maybe these very religious people you know could go to one of these churches, since they don't have any of the problems you mentioned.
@Undertaker
I explain why I am confident that you will eventually go to church with some questions....Do you have a living mother or father or wife or girlfriend? Do you love them? If so, do you go to see them? Do you talk to them? Do you try to learn about them? Your relationship with God is similar. If you love him you want to get close to him.
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:06 pm |
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Kiwi Boy
High Emperor
Joined: 03 Jan 2003
Posts: 1086
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quote:
Originally posted by Darrius Cole
But no one gains if you persecute him because he does not go the church as much as you do.
I'm not a Christian. I've never been a church before. I just felt disgusted when someone "declared their belief" with empty words.
Of course, going to church does not make one a believer. Showing off one's "faith" through pride is even worse. This hypocrisy contradicts Jesus' teachings and will soon be judged (that's basically what Chekote stated).
But refusing to do what He favours also reveals that one is not a believer of God. The presence of those who like to show off is just an obstacle, a devil. If one refuses to attend church anymore because of this, it shows us how easily the person's faith is shaken. Simply speaking, the person has lost a spiritual war. |
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:27 pm |
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DA UNDERTAKER
souls will cry
Joined: 02 Jun 2004
Posts: 824
Location: Athens, Greece |
quote:
Originally posted by Darrius Cole
@Undertaker
I explain why I am confident that you will eventually go to church with some questions....Do you have a living mother or father or wife or girlfriend? Do you love them? If so, do you go to see them? Do you talk to them? Do you try to learn about them? Your relationship with God is similar. If you love him you want to get close to him.
1)who told you that i don't go to church. when i said that, i meant that i don't go often to church. i don't want to give anybody the wrong impression on myself, so please i don't want you to have an incorrect oppinion on me
2)i don't blame churches for the typolatric environment the people make and i don't consider them worthless or say anything bad about them. i even consider them useful in a way... but what i'm trying to say is that people (not churches) go to church just for show-off as they would in a park or party. they pray to pictures without knowing who(or what) they represent. they mark the cross without knowing it's meaning. and more
@Darrius Cole
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:42 pm |
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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord
Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 406
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Undertaker, we're cool. Based on what you said in your last post I did not have a wrong impression of you.
@Kiwi Boy
I did have a wrong impression of you. If I understand your last post correctly, you are not a Christian, and you want to convince Da Undertaker that he is not a Christian either. Even though he says he believes.
Believing (in Christ) is the cause and Christian behavior is the effect. The cause always comes before the effect. If a person believes, (whatever they believe) it will manifest itself in their behavior eventually, although not completely at first.
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:39 pm |
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Kiwi Boy
High Emperor
Joined: 03 Jan 2003
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quote:
Originally posted by Darrius Cole
If a person believes, (whatever they believe) it will manifest itself in their behavior eventually, although not completely at first.
... although the belief requires more than an empty statement. |
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Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:53 pm |
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Darrius Cole
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Joined: 04 May 2004
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True, but you can not look into a person's heart to see if they are honest. You can only watch them, and see the truth come out.
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Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:04 am |
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Rawis
Gorthaur
Joined: 01 Apr 2002
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I would say that there is no meaning with life. At least none that we surely know of (I haven't seen any proof yet.) I think it's stupid to claim that you KNOW. For how can you know if there is something behind, something greater out there or, how can you know there is NOT something behind/greater out there? I stand neutral in this question, but I find our existance illogical... It doesn't make any sense.
No, if there is a meaning with our miserable existance it would be to die. |
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Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:05 am |
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Chekote
Where’s my Banana?!?!
Joined: 08 Mar 2002
Posts: 1540
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@ Darrius Cole:
You raise some good points.
However I doubt I would ever go to church. Another main problem with going to church is caused by human interpretation.
Everyone who reads the bible seems to have their own interpretation of what it means. I personaly have not read the bible apart from a few versus, but I definately dont want it to be preached to me because it will just be tainted by someone elses interpretation.
I could see if the pastor just read the Bible word for word. But everytime I have seen this, the pastor always gives his explanation of what it means.
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Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:09 am |
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Kiwi Boy
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Joined: 03 Jan 2003
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This may sound harsh...
But Chekote, when you decided to go to church, for whom did you choose to do it?
Whose interpretation should you take?
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Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:18 am |
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sauron38
Rara Avis
Joined: 14 Jan 2002
Posts: 4396
Location: Winnipeg's Sanctum Sanctorum |
quote:
Originally posted by Chekote
I definately dont want it to be preached to me because it will just be tainted by someone elses interpretation.
Ah, to remedy this problem, you must go the ultimate, final, and infallible authority on such affairs.
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
Posts: 8376
Location: Australia |
Some interesting posts. Rawis, you're a closet Existentialist. You need to read a little Sartre; I think you'll identify with him. I deliberately try to avoid the religious threads, though if you search hard enough you'll discover I did participate in one about a year ago. Remember one thing, pastors and church goers are all human beings; imperfect. Don't judge a religion or church by them.
The Bible is a different issue. There are rules of interpretation which, if followed, should prevent most of the problems people find with Bible interpreters. However, many so called Bible teachers don't follow these basic rules, so they tend to make it say whatever they wish. Your only defense, is to either find someone who interprets by correctly applying the rules of hermeneutics, or study the rules yourself and learn to apply them. NEVER believe anything without first checking it out for yourself. I teach my people how to apply the rules, so they can check out everything I say. Only laziness or ignorance can defeat you.
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Rawis
Gorthaur
Joined: 01 Apr 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by corwin
Some interesting posts. Rawis, you're a closet Existentialist.
Was this said as a negative thing? 
And, what exactly is a "closet Existentialist"? |
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Wed Aug 18, 2004 6:44 am |
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
Posts: 8376
Location: Australia |
From what you have said, your philosophy on life lines up with the philosophy known as Existentialism. If you read Sartre, or check out some of the basic Existentialism sites on the net, you'll understand what I mean. The use of the term 'closet' merely indicates you were not aware of this.
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Namirrha
Noble Knight
Joined: 03 May 2002
Posts: 218
Location: Utah County, Utah. |
quote:
Originally posted by Chekote
@ Darrius Cole:
You raise some good points.
However I doubt I would ever go to church. Another main problem with going to church is caused by human interpretation.
Everyone who reads the bible seems to have their own interpretation of what it means. I personaly have not read the bible apart from a few versus, but I definately dont want it to be preached to me because it will just be tainted by someone elses interpretation.
I could see if the pastor just read the Bible word for word. But everytime I have seen this, the pastor always gives his explanation of what it means.
With relatives from Taiwan and a ton of work, I had to drop out of the conversation despite my reluctance. From evolution to religion--somehow fitting. 
Chekote, I think it isn't surprising that religion is subject to human interpretation as much as anything else is. Even "objective" studies like the sciences rely on human interpretation and some slight degree of subjectivity, with all the insights and fallacies this brings. If we could have impartial observers who all thought the same and observed the same, we might move closer to true objectivity and fair and unified interpretation. But since we are all different, even at the most basic level biologically, psychologically, etc. is it unreasonable to expect different interpretations? Our own interpretations are contingent on any number of factors and beliefs as well as other people's thoughts and our reactions to them. And sometimes it helps to listen to many interpretations to better form our own.
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