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Cm
Sentinel of Light
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 5209
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Thankyou Scribelus! You said it all.
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A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval.
Mark Twain
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Mon May 10, 2004 4:21 am |
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Hexy
High Emperor
Joined: 28 Jun 2002
Posts: 621
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@Hexy: It's ridiculous to try and portray Arafat as a "good guy". You just pour your credibility down the drain.
Scribelus to the rescue! Or to dish out discussion verdicts?
Seriously, when did I try to portray Arafat as a good guy?
You forgot:
@Scribelus: Stop questioning the credibility of others and their points while posting stuff like this:
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Of course radical Islamic mistreatment of everyone who isn't a beardy Muslim male is disgusting - but the West has only started on the road to civil rights recently, and it wasn't due to religion but to POLITICS.
IF you're going to take a middle stand and just point out the obvious, it good that you stick to that it's only Muslim maltreatment which is disgusting. The recent US media storm about treating Iraqis and muslims bad in the prisons is just purely silly, right?
Don't try to blame the "phenomenon" of mistreating others on religion.
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There was a time when Islam was the religion of "enlightenment" and Christianity was the religion of war and "barbarity" - the Bible has passages permitting behavior like slavery and stoning - the point is that the problem is not RELGIOUS, it is POLITICAL.
Politics have deep roots in religions. Great! Now on to the next one! |
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Mon May 10, 2004 6:43 am |
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Scribelus
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 08 Apr 2004
Posts: 46
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I see an upward moral progress starting with the British "Glorious Revolution", John Locke, the French Revolution, the U.S. Constitution, and the Civil Rights movement. This has all been about gradually crawling out of the swamp of dictatorship of the military and the Church and giving people freedom to follow their own path (as long as they don't hurt others). This process started in Britain and it is still going on around the world, with some countries further ahead and others further behind. That's simplistic (the West spends a lot of time sabotaging democracy in other countries) but it's still true. It's also true that radical Islam is harmful to this process. But people like the Iranian reformists are still trying.
BTW, I just TOTALLY don't buy this idea that every time you mention something bad that one side does, you have to also mention that the other side is also not perfect. That's just PC lip service. It's just what all the right-wingers say when you criticize the conduct of the war in Iraq - "Oh why don't you mention how terrible Saddam was". What the hell does it have to do with anything? Two wrongs don't make a right (except according to Homer Simpson). Yes, those Mil. Int. guys are morons, you don't get any good intelligence through torture, and the backlash will lead to more US deaths FOR SURE, and even if the inmates were guilty they deserve due process and good treatment, or what is the good of democracy? Is that enough for you?
Radical Islam is disgusting, radical anything is disgusting. The main thing is to remember that if you go to a small village in the middle of the worst dictatorship in the world you will probably find that most people are kind and helpful, regardless if they have been screwed over by their own leaders and the CIA for the last 50 years. So give them a chance to govern their own lives.
Hmm... better get back to my work???  |
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