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EverythingXen
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Joined: 01 Feb 2002
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They know about those places. They're complaining that you don't see anyone drinking or smoking (though one guy is completely blitzed when you talk to him) and that the dancers have tops and bottoms on because the base skin has those drawn on (a 30 second job to remove with the right tools if that's what you want. I'm sure there's a mod for it).
Don't worry Jaz... this game is better than Daggerfall in all ways except that you don't have a wretchedly small poorly drawn because you can't show genitalia in a non-x rated programs/movies penis drawn onto the naked male paperdoll or unrealistically large nipples drawn on the naked female one. And I think that's a pretty small 'except'...
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Mon May 20, 2002 3:29 pm |
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Loremaster
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Joined: 31 Mar 2002
Posts: 88
Location: Hampshire, England |
"No offense to the poster or his like minded players but blood and sex do not make an adult game. Actually these are very much child wants, not adults. "
Thank you! I play computer role-playing games to escape from a world filled with blood and sex, not to wallow in them some more. |
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Mon May 20, 2002 3:36 pm |
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Shrapnel
Rocket Scientist
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 1325
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I dont thinks its so much that people *want* blood, guts, and nudity in their games to make it more "adult", I think its more like you buy a game to have fun with it and when you actually see these things incorporated in, its like "Whoa"... thats a extra shot of realism you just wouldnt expect to see in a game, and it makes the game just that much more fun to play because now you're thinking..."well what if I do *this* to this guy instead of just talking to him and walking away"
*shrugs*
Of course, thats just my opinion. The details, the graphics are definitely 100% and there's lots of skill/options to make your character unique from anyone else playing...its just the entire flavor of the game for me is so... 'blah'. I've had the game since May1 and I just cant seem to get into it. For 1 I dont like playing 1st person (thats for FPS) and 3rd person is so badly done that you're almost forced to play 1st person 100% of the time (due to battles, reading details on items, etc). Its seems like being a bad guy only counts when a guard sees you, cause you can rob individual people's houses blind and still walk back into town smelling like roses. I know more about MW from what I read on these boards than what I could learn playing it at home. I think Im just spoiled on Gothic, a game I found by accident when I d/l the demo and is by far and away 100x more fun to play than MW. When I heard the NPCs talking amongst themselves, walking around during the day (whether to work, to go drink, to go wash up, even to piss in a corner) and then going to their huts @ nightfall...I was amazed. I was very suprised (disappointed is probably a better word) MW didnt do this, and they probably could have if they didnt make so much room for the encyclopedia volumes they included throughout the lands and removed a few of the NPCs that repeat the same things as the majority of commoners within towns. Its hard to roleplay a villian when you cant really perform villianous acts (or at least see them due to the politically correct atmosphere within MW)
Jaz, if I remember correct you had a lot of fun with your dilemmas in killing people when you didnt have to or were forced to. I dont think your conscience will be as tortured once you get this game. Again, nothing against this game...but I cant wait for Gothic2.
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Mon May 20, 2002 3:58 pm |
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Rawis
Gorthaur
Joined: 01 Apr 2002
Posts: 1861
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I was dissapointed by the fights! You can't even see that the enemy is wounded after being hit with a long sword! A little more realistic stuffs would be good... |
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Mon May 20, 2002 4:05 pm |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 9708
Location: RPGDot |
Okay, thanks guys. I'll get it of course. I'm just a bit... worried until I have seen it with my own eyes  .
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Mon May 20, 2002 4:20 pm |
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Loremaster
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Joined: 31 Mar 2002
Posts: 88
Location: Hampshire, England |
Shrapnel, just a thought. I've found in the past that its a lot easier to get into a game and enjoy it if you don't spend time on the forums but concentrate on playing the game !
Somehow reading everyone else's views can have a dampening effect on your own take on the game. |
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Mon May 20, 2002 4:20 pm |
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Squeetard
Head Merchant
Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 61
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Dev meeting transcript:
Lets see here. If we put a cloth tone texture on this 4 triangle boob shaped poly we will sell 275,000 more games than if we put a skin toned texture. Any thoughts?
Or, we can spend 2 more years programming some really graphic violence into the game just to please a select few with no imagination and even sell less copies.
Well that was easy, lets go golf.... |
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Mon May 20, 2002 4:24 pm |
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Shrapnel
Rocket Scientist
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 1325
Location: Newark, NJ |
Oh I do play Morrowind from time to time. Usually starts with high hopes of finding some new armor or quest or something, but almost always ends with me having the same commoner conversation with different looking NPCs or browsing through some casual reading material (which btw, is better than counting sheep when one is trying to go to bed.) or walking through the amazingly sterile towns and wilderness. 45min-1hr later, Im so bored with watching the townsfolk walk in circles that I dont even have the desire to play any PC game at that point and end up watching TV.
Im so sorry I dont share all your praises of MW, point blank, the game is flat. I can stare at the weight and value of forks, fancy clothing, and glowing weapons all day long, its still not going to make up for the fact that the game feels like a day in Sesame Street with really really great eye candy.
And Seetguard, your Dev transcript was very funny
Your comparison to me having no imagination cause I'd like to see more realism in an RPG is about as equal to me linking you to a bible-reading Mormon because you dont |
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Mon May 20, 2002 5:26 pm |
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EverythingXen
Arch-villain
Joined: 01 Feb 2002
Posts: 4342
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Bottom line is.. play it. If you like it, great. if you don't... there will always be another game. I know I'm throwing dice when I buy a CRPG because no demo can completely prepare you for the real thing. It's the only type of gambling I permit myself.
Would I have cared if there was nudity and more violence and the game got an M? Nope. Would Bethesda who wanted the T so they could sell more copies and not go bankrupt? Yep.
Come on... they're not in it to please the fans because you CAN'T. If you made a 'perfect' game someone would find fault in it. They're in it to make money off you. Oh sure, maybe some of the developers are making the game for the legions of ungrateful fans and to live up to their own ideals... but the publisher could care less. There is no higher reason and they don't care what you think because they already have your dollar. Deal.
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Mon May 20, 2002 5:48 pm |
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ring
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Joined: 18 May 2002
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I have a question for you people in particular who advocate this sanitized, family safe (and it is, despite the little "hints" of something worse benieth the surface. You can find that in disney flicks, too.) environments so prolific in fantasy video games today...
Do you even READ the books these games are based on? The writing that inspires them is often pretty vile stuff, and with good reason. It's a reletivly new genre, but there are still plenty of great authors to choose from, some of my favorites being George RR Martin, Terry Goodkind, and even some Terry Brooks and Robert Jordan. Jordan attempts this same sort of "head in the clouds fantasy" fantasy that most video games copy, as it pertains to depicting ANYTHING that some fool might become offended over. I think in Jordan's case it comes from his religious background, which is sad. He could take lessons from George RR Martin, especially about killing off some of his annoying characters.
People who get offended deserve to be offended; they get mad, they turn their brains off, and they play right into the hands of people who BENIFIT from a bunch of brainless cattle. So I'm happy that you have a game you can play with your children. Yay. Maybe some game publisher will wake up and create an immersive first person RPG (or god help me, a MMORPG!) that your 8 year old wouldn't be welcomed to play. There IS a market for them, despite what the loud, angry, offended cattle would have you believe. |
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Mon May 20, 2002 6:28 pm |
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Ugc-Signaldistortion
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Well, I think that the game couild have used a little more gore, just to spruce up the combat and lets face it mom and dad the kids have seen all the gore they needed to today on the news, I just think it would have been cool to chop someones head off.......now regarding Sex to those who dont think there is enough, I say get a Significant other, I don't know about you but I don't need to see some blocky polygonal NPC shakin' square jugs at me, if i wanted that id go get a porno....thats not what the game is about, and why are we all baggin' on Bethesda for making the game accessable to all gamers young and old, they originally made the game to make money and if they get more sales without the Mature content then are you suprised????????......lets get over the petty stuff and just say that the game ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Im a Skooma Junkie...hehe anytime i find that stuff I gulp it up and go killin'......obviously I save before hand but its so fun....also Casius has a skooma pipe if Im not mistaken..hehe what a JUNKIE |
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Mon May 20, 2002 6:37 pm |
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EverythingXen
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Joined: 01 Feb 2002
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I've read Martin's work. It's very good, if a little on the harsh side for my tastes. I don't need kiddie porn and incest even if it is keeping in style with the middle and dark ages. But I'm an author myself and I respect him for the detail he's put into his world and characters and enjoy reading just about everything I can get my hands on.
But that is my point entirely. What's fine for fantasy books doesn't have to be fine for a computer game. I'm sorry you find games like Morrowind watered down... but I'd rather see it watered down then done in a style like Martin's. The target audience for most CRPGs, like it or not, is 12 to 18. Martin's content is R. Why knock off 5/6ths of your targetted demographic?
If someone made a darker Morrowind mod I'd probably download and play it. The tools are there. It's the best of both worlds... the publisher gets rich off of the sales and those who want more realism to the dialogues and themes can add it. Want a quest where they tell you flat out in no uncertain terms that they want you to track down a serial rapist and murderer and destroy him? Put it in. Put a bunch of bodies in his lair even. Add new art objects for torture machines even. it's doable and Mommy's Little Darling that you're so against watering down the game never needs to see it.
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Mon May 20, 2002 7:05 pm |
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SlitherSly
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 12 May 2002
Posts: 26
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On the subject of Casius I find his character rather funny. When I was on my way to contact him I invisioned someone that looked important . . . not some shirtless bald old guy who wore brown pants. The fact that he has a skooma pipe just makes me think that he's some overworked government official about to have a mental breakdown. |
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Mon May 20, 2002 7:12 pm |
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Squeetard
Head Merchant
Joined: 05 May 2002
Posts: 61
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quote:
Originally posted by Shrapnel
And Seetguard, your Dev transcript was very funny
Your comparison to me having no imagination cause I'd like to see more realism in an RPG is about as equal to me linking you to a bible-reading Mormon because you dont
All I was saying in my post is that any argument for the violence/nudity is pretty much negated by the "no brainer" decision the publisher made regarding including it. If someone said to you "I'll give you 13 million to leave it out, and it might cost you money to leave it in." What would you do?
And I certainly wasn't picking on your lack of imagination Shrapnel, I mean, look at your Avatar, beautiful man! But where is his dick? I bet you left it out because it might be censored at some boards.... |
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Mon May 20, 2002 8:33 pm |
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Good old construction set.. The first thing i wanted to do.. i tried it .. for a couple days.. then found out it was impossible. On to the second thing i wanted to do.. tried that.. also impossible.. Third thing.. only a very slight modification to existing things.. also impossible.
Ive found that my friends that have never played video games before enjoy morrowind alot. I however have already uninstalled it.
I think lack of imagination is what makes the game fun to people. Those without gaming experience and nothing to compare it to love morrowind those who have played 20+ games in the history of their life complain. |
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