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| Which group is moral? |
| HAODL |
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| EHUAO |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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On many worlds the Orcs were brought to new lands against their own will, and only conquered to survive, because prejudices the other races where unwilling to give the Orcs so much as some decent farmland. Besides do you not think someone can overcome a shadowed heritage?  |
Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:46 pm |
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Val
Risen From Ashes
Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
Location: Utah, USA |
I'm a demon and devil? How dare you insult me and make such slanderous accusations! Of course, what else can I expect from you? Apparently not much! And you dare to call yourselves peace-loving. Ha! I laugh at such ridiculous claims. If you did love peace and could look past the hate that blinds your eyes, then you might actually give peace a chance.
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:50 pm |
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TheLonePaladin
Mighty Warrior
Joined: 27 Feb 2002
Posts: 1808
Location: San Francisco, CA |
the orcs are barbarians! how can you justify their actions with "oh they were just defending their own territory"?? one man chases his fleeing livestock but a few feet across a border and what does he become? a pincushion! his body is dragged into their foul shaman's headquarters and the next time he's seen he's a shrunken head! i'm all for defending your territory, but that is needlessly brutal!
and let us not forget the few alliances orcs make with other races: evil wizards and witch-kings. if they befriend black magic, they can only expect to be eliminated as well in the holy wrath their allies invite with their dark deeds. don't blame the EHUAO and HPFDO for the orcs' bad decisions.
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"Though the gates that stand between the mortal world and the immortal Realm of Chaos are now closed to me, still I would rather die having glimpsed eternity than never to have stirred the cold furrow of mortal life.
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:51 pm |
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txiabxyooj
Fox Spirit
Joined: 06 Dec 2001
Posts: 971
Location: here, there & everywhere |
is that the best justification you can come up with for the slaughtering of numerous farmer's and their families? that orks were forced to migrate and therefore have every right to displace those who already work the land?! so, this is the true nature of HAODL! to force our people from their lands so the green-skins might be permitted to defile more land than they already have. woe until the earth mother if this blantant slaughtering of innocents and destruction of her sacred glads is allowed to persist.
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 5:54 pm |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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I'm with Val!
quote:
Originally posted by txiabxyooj
is that the best justification you can come up with for the slaughtering of numerous farmer's and their families? that orks were forced to migrate and therefore have every right to displace those who already work the land.
They have the right to survive! The humans and elves wouldn't give them any farmland, they wouldn't give the Orcs food. Takeing it was the only way to survive.
And again I say that they have been forced by nessesity, and the mistrust of other races, to form alliences that they otherwise would not have made. |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:26 pm |
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Rawis
Gorthaur
Joined: 01 Apr 2002
Posts: 1861
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What about the orks rading town, taking innocent town people, then sacrifice them to summon demons! We cannot let things like this happend! |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:29 pm |
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TheLonePaladin
Mighty Warrior
Joined: 27 Feb 2002
Posts: 1808
Location: San Francisco, CA |
quote:
Originally posted by Suicidal Cockroach
And again I say that they have been forced by nessesity, and the mistrust of other races, to form alliences that they otherwise would not have made.
hah! you and i both know what fueled those alliances: greed and lust for power!
dangle something shiny in front of an orc and he'll kill for it everytime.
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"Though the gates that stand between the mortal world and the immortal Realm of Chaos are now closed to me, still I would rather die having glimpsed eternity than never to have stirred the cold furrow of mortal life.
I embrace death without regret as I embraced life without fear." |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:38 pm |
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txiabxyooj
Fox Spirit
Joined: 06 Dec 2001
Posts: 971
Location: here, there & everywhere |
quote:
Originally posted by Suicidal Cockroach
They have the right to survive!
it is interesting that the very right you say orks have you are all to willing to deny to those who first occupied the land. do not elves, hobbits, humans, & dwarves have the right to defend themselves against the onslaught of the ork hoarde? did not the simple farmer have the right to retaliate when his wife, children and lands were invaded by orks--orks who showed no mercy to the farmers & their families; orks who unmericifully ground their victims bones into pulp; orks who descrated all that the people held as sacred; orks who defiled not only the land but themselves in their acts of barbarism. surely you will grant us the right to defend ourselves against such horrid acts. no amount of orkish & demonic rhetoric can force the peace loving races to give up their right to self defence when faced with the all to common orkish slaughter of innocents.
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:56 pm |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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I don't begrudge them the right to defend themselves, which would have been necissary had the humans or elves, or any other race, given the Orcs the lands they needed to survive. What I'm saying is that the other races shouldn't hate and retaliate against a people who were just trying to survive. Altimatly the best senario would have been for the humans to sell the Orcs land, for their aid in defending the human kingdoms, but the humans were unwilling to do that. |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:13 pm |
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txiabxyooj
Fox Spirit
Joined: 06 Dec 2001
Posts: 971
Location: here, there & everywhere |
quote:
Originally posted by Suicidal Cockroach
What I'm saying is that the other races shouldn't hate and retaliate against a people who were just trying to survive. Altimatly the best senario would have been for the humans to sell the Orcs land, for their aid in defending the human kingdoms, but the humans were unwilling to do that.
hmmmm....i don't recall the orks ever asking. however, i do recall the orks attacking human settlements. i guess when the humans were first struck they should have said: "oh, we are being slaughtered this must mean that they [the orks] need land and food." i am sorry that the human alliance was so blind and misunderstood the brutalization of their people. if only they understood orkish ways. i guess there really is something to clobbering your neighbor as a means of communication. ofcourse only an ork would be able to distinguish the meaning between one clobbering and another. most of the noble races unfortunately speak with words and not with fists. too bad orks only seems to understand the latter, even amongst themselves they can hardly keep from wacking those who stand in their way.
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 7:20 pm |
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Rawis
Gorthaur
Joined: 01 Apr 2002
Posts: 1861
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I could not agree more txiabxyooj!  |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:04 pm |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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quote:
Originally posted by txiabxyooj
i am sorry that the human alliance was so blind and misunderstood the brutalization of their people. if only they understood orkish ways. i guess there really is something to clobbering your neighbor as a means of communication. ofcourse only an ork would be able to distinguish the meaning between one clobbering and another. most of the noble races unfortunately speak with words and not with fists. too bad orks only seems to understand the latter, even amongst themselves they can hardly keep from wacking those who stand in their way.
If the alliance is so much smarter and more civilized than they should have tried to find out what was going on in a peaceful way. The Orcs are very instinctual, they are much like wolves. If a wolf is in another's way they fight, and when one has proven stronger the other gives up and both are left mostly unharmed, but when the humans were getting beaten they just fought harder. It's the same with wolves, it's expected that the looser gives up, but if they don't then there is no choice but for the fight to become lethal. This is how the Orcish culture works, so how were they to know the other races here didn't decide things the same way, when the supposedly smarter races could figure it out? The killing started with a simple misunderstanding of cultures. And if you think this culture is barbaric then think about this... As long as there are accepted rules to prevent it from going to far, is there really that much difference between fighting with words or with fists. |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:23 pm |
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txiabxyooj
Fox Spirit
Joined: 06 Dec 2001
Posts: 971
Location: here, there & everywhere |
quote:
Originally posted by Suicidal Cockroach
If the alliance is so much smarter and more civilized than they should have tried to find out what was going on in a peaceful way. The Orcs are very instinctual, they are much like wolves. If a wolf is in another's way they fight, and when one has proven stronger the other gives up and both are left mostly unharmed, but when the humans were getting beaten they just fought harder. It's the same with wolves, it's expected that the looser gives up, but if they don't then there is no choice but for the fight to become lethal. This is how the Orcish culture works, so how were they to know the other races here didn't decide things the same way...
need i say more? the orks are an instinctual race who wish nothing more than to slaughter us! by their very nature they intent to rend us limb from limb. how can any civilized race expect to get along with such beasts? beast that lack the rational ability to hold off their blood lust. beasts that will attack without provocation in order to to subvert our noble cultures. the true nature of orks is herein admitted by their very defenders! how can we co-exist with a race that decides all disputes with violence? the simple answer is we cannot & shall not. come, unite under the banner of the EHUAO and stand for all that is noble & right...not mindless violence.
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 8:32 pm |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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AH!!! Blatant twisting and perverting of my words!!! Again I say... As long as there are accepted rules to prevent it from going to far, there is really very little difference between fighting with words or with fists.
Being instinctual does not make you evil, or violent, of bestial! If the humans had surrendered or sold some of their land so the Orcs could survive none of them would have had to die. It is the Humans and Elves that are the bestial ones guilty of genocide!!! |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 10:22 pm |
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Moonslash
Celestial Guardian
Joined: 04 May 2002
Posts: 1378
Location: California, USA |
Why are so many people against the Orcs. Even though I'm a human, I do believe that the Orcs are innocent in many cases. It is the human race which has misunderstood the Orcs. The Orcs have their own culture. Just because their practices are different from other races doesn't mean that they're evil creatures. The races consider the Orcs' strange way of living as a threat to themselves, so they try the best to fight off and slaughter the Orcs. I think those races are being sort of evil, not the Orcs.
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Things are neither completely bright nor dark.
Do you go right? Or do you go left? A simple decision, yes? No ambiguities. Only the dream of the path not taken! And so one might stand in this place and contemplate for a long while. What will I miss if I go left? What will I lose if I go right? And in my indecision, have I chosen a worse fate? |
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