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EverythingXen
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Well... it sort of involved DNA... 
Edit: Alright... now this is so far off track it's not even in the same ballpark. I think the 'female perspectives' were rightly scared off long ago...
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Remus
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Hi again everyone and..., wow...this thread looks like heading toward mysterious destination & then self-destruct!  .
O.k let me refresh the topic and specify the issues here;
1)What you think/feel about sexism (discrimination toward female player such as sexual suggestions, get mockery/insults because weak/not much use to party, or even a positive one likes being given stuff, money, protection, swarmed all over by group of admirer? etc etc).
2)How far is the reality that woman prefer story laden games and better at role-play than male gamer?
 i knew that there are some female lurking around this forum & i really need more response from women on this issues. So far i notice most male poster on this board behave nicely and i think your gals could bravely speak up your mind..., or...women just not interested/don't care about this kind of topic???  . Off course male poster still welcome & thanks you guys & also Jaz!.
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Jaz
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1) It depends on the amount of 'unnatural' attention one gets I'd say, but then again, as I said, it never happened to me. I'm sure should the as-of-yet unspecified borderline be violated, both in terms of positive/negative, I would react along the very same lines - I can be a real female chauvinist if I want to. 
2) I like story-driven games, it does so much more for immersion and identification I think, but I'm a shooter player in the first place, and nobody can accuse the general shooter of having extremely deep plots  . So make of this what you want. As for role-play, I know many male individuals who do a good job at 'real' RPing when playing CRPGs and many gals who don't. Perhaps it's rather an age thing though.
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Michael C
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Joined: 09 Jul 2001
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Guys, stick to the topic, or I will move you this thread to the "Absolutely of interes.... I mean topic!
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don't tell me what to do... 
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Don't tell me how to handle this forum! 
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TheLonePaladin
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Guys, stick to the topic, or I will move you this thread to the "Absolutely of interes.... I mean topic!
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don't tell me what to do...
Don't tell me how to handle this forum! [/quote]
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 j/k
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Scrivener
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Joined: 20 Jun 2002
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The following is just speaking in general terms, not referring to anyone on this forum...
I think two factors that make games so "male" are the need for obsessive "focus lock" and the need to be desensitized to violence. Those are both pretty male traits, which we get training in from an early age.
My girlfriend used to play Ultima Online, but she just liked to find sheep to shear and make clothes, tame animals, and talk to people. She had a good time, but she never killed anything I think, unless maybe to get food for her tame animals.
When she gets back to Melbourne she can try Morrowind - that's pretty free form so I think she'll like it. With 100% Chameleon so she doesn't get into any fights though!
Funnily enough she will read violent fantasy like George RR. Martin, but she doesn't like the interactive aspect of violence in games. She just wants an open world to escape into.
I must say I kind of get sick of computer violence myself sometimes. But I like the tactical combat, it's like chess only not so rigid.
My UO character was female. Once I was getting on really well with one guy, but when he found out I was male he just about threw up! I had no idea he "had the hots for me". Ha ha ha! |
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ButtOfMalmsey
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An interesting theory I came across in Neal Stephenson's Cryptonomicon was whether or not you could recognize a person you had never seen, with whom you'd never spoken, based solely on written communication (email, letters, etc). For those of you who have read this novel, I am talking about the Root Rep conversation.
The basic premise is that communication is a complicated point to point interface, and that in many cases words on a page/screen are more communicative about the speaker than direct face to face contact. People talk about two contradictin theories of internet communication: 1) the internet is a great anonymizer; 2) the internet has no context filters, so that people reveal more on the internet than they do face to face. These theories are contradictory, but I suspect not exclusive; there's a causal relationship, because people feel insulated, atomized, and anonymous, but they are not aware that in fact they are communicating with less barriers, because context is provided solely by the written word.
What does all this have to do with sexism? I should think my hypothesis is fairly obvious; sexism is rampant (in its less grotesque forms) on the internet because 1) people believe that they are anonymous, even though they are demonstrably not; and 2) people are used to providing context through non-verbal means, and not through well-constructed thoughts. Truly, we should all think before we speak (especially here).
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Lintra
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I'd totally forgotten Cryptonomicron. It was a great read. There are people I am sure I would recognize - after trading a few sentences with them (unless they were trying to hide ... then all bets are off).
That said ... I am not sure I agree with the assumption that the two theories are contradictory. My takes on the theories:
Theory 1: the slightly alcohol like effect of anonyminity (sp???) - "since you don't know me I can say what I feel like saying".
Theory 2: Face to face communication is filled with nuances like body language, eye motion etc - more so than written words.
So the only way theory 2 works is because of the effect of theory 1.
Does that make sense or am I operating in a sleep deprived condition again?
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PS - Are they theory (tested) or hypotheses (suggested)?
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ButtOfMalmsey
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I would say they are theories that have not been sufficiently tested, but that my hypothesis remains a hypothesis.
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