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| What is the PRIMARY motivation for the BUSH ADMINISTRATION declaring war on Iraq? |
| Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with weapons of mass destruction |
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33% |
[ 7 ] |
| The Iraqi regime oppresses the people of Iraq |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Iraq poses a military threat to its neighbors in the region and Israel in particular |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| A naked show of force to make America's enemies think twice about acting against the US |
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9% |
[ 2 ] |
| When Iraq is occupied by the US, the OPEC cartel will be broken and the cheap oil will help the US economy |
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33% |
[ 7 ] |
| In general, the Middle East is both powerful and anti-American, which is a dangerous combination |
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4% |
[ 1 ] |
| To bring democracy to the Middle East via the "domino effect" |
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4% |
[ 1 ] |
| George Bush hates Saddam Hussein for personal reasons |
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9% |
[ 2 ] |
| Containment of Iraq is not realistic: eventually it will become a rogue state with nuclear weapons. |
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4% |
[ 1 ] |
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Jung
Most Exalted Highlord
Joined: 19 Jun 2002
Posts: 411
Location: Texas |
quote:
Originally posted by Myrthos
What puzzles me is why your assumptions of the truth are better than mine.
If you were being overly simplistic or disingenuous, then it would be easy to dismiss your assumptions. Neither seems to be the case based on your posts in this thread, so at this point I call it a difference of opinion or perspective.
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Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:38 pm |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
quote:
Originally posted by Jung
My reply was directed at this post:
quote:
Originally posted by Gothic Soul
Only for Oil (Petroleum).
The reality is likely that some or all of the items on that list could be checked as motivations. I believe that it is usually a mix of selfish and selfless reasons that triggers an action like this by a government. To boil it down to "oh, it must be for the oil," is simplistic, insulting and, for some people, self-serving their ulterior agenda.
I put the 1.Oil reason for first and then the 2.personal problems of Bush and Houssein then the 3.Iraqui freedom
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:43 pm |
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NidPuterGuy
Fearless Paladin
Joined: 08 Jan 2003
Posts: 237
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Since the Crusades failed the British and US have decided to give it another try. It's time for Christianity to conquer the world! That's probably as accurate a reason as any. I really don't have an idea what the reasons are. |
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Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:32 pm |
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Remus
Overgrown Cat
Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 1657
Location: Fish bowl |
Apparently we got some nice hypotheses on why the war is happening now. But so far we mostly only arguing from personal perspective, opinion or whatever we want ourselves to believe. And now the discussion some how descended into sarcasm.
How about for example, take a look at who is now in US administration: like their political principles or ambitions, their personal background & belief, what's the pattern of their political behavior, why Collin Powell from being a dove turned into a hawk, etc?. Even better, if we can, why don't we get some leaked, or controversial documents for discussion here (like what Wall Street Journal had done?  ).
I found that http://www.newamericancentury.org offer some interesting insight into current Us administration. In front page it says:
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"The Project for the New American Century is a non-profit educational organization dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle; and that too few political leaders today are making the case for global leadership."
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Under the tab of Statement of Principles, here is some quotes that describe the general tone:
"We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership."
"As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power."
"Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?"
"inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world"
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And guess among the many, who else put their name under the Statement of Principles:
...., Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, ..... 
Anyway, did anyone heard the statements "We believe inside every gooks, there's an Americans that wanted to come out."? |
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Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:12 am |
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dteowner
Shoegazer
Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Posts: 7570
Location: Third Hero of Erathia |
Someone's got to do it, and the Europeans are too busy talking about it to actually accomplish anything. 
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Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:40 am |
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Val
Risen From Ashes
Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
Location: Utah, USA |
Aww man, I don't want to rule the world. What a boring desk job! And can you just imagine all of the new interest groups that would lobby congress?! What a headache. 
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Hyrrix
Fourty-two
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Posts: 282
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I wish you could just laugh the PNAC away like that. But if they make your government, you actually can't, right?
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Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:27 am |
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Lord_Brownie
High Emperor
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
Posts: 575
Location: Unfashionable arm of the spiral galaxy |
Folks all this bickering is getting us nowhere (and because the joking has already started)  , infact this entire oil-human rights issues as causes for the war are distracting form the real cause: desert truffles. Before clicking reply to put down my theory, please read! The desert truffle found in the middle east <<< http://www.trufflemarket.com/cgi-bin/market.pl?truffle_facts.htm >>> is so expensive its not even listed on the web site for sale. My conclusion drawn cunningly without forthought or research: that U.S., in order to shore up the world truffle market for its own profit, is invading Iraq to gain it's huge untaped supple of desert truffles. The French, upset that this could bring down the price of the truffles it imports form Italy, is of course upset and is using its EU friends to try and stop the U.S. Being too lazy to do research and not realy caring I have made up the following figures to support my claim: 1. the U.S. last year imported 0 desert truffles (thats a huge untapped market of Amercans that need desert truffles to buy with thier $80,000 SUVs!), 2. Iraq harvested just under .00001% of its GNP in truffles last year. However, because of Iraq's current situation, all of its truffles where consumed by the the harvester, without being sold ONCE on the open market. The U.S. being concerned that truffles, and indeed EVERTHING, should be some form of commodity, is attempting to correct the problem and fullfill its own need for desert truffles. Because no good argument is complete with an analog-- its like how pancakes and waffles started WW2. Amercans will buy anything if it will pollute the enviroment, cause 3rd world strife, or upset the French; we need desert truffles!
All joking aside, the people of Iraq have relied on everything in thier country to try to survive. They have been hunting up desert truffles for ages, and esp. in the last ten years. I ran across the desert truffle when a news agency did a story on it years ago.
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Sun Mar 30, 2003 12:15 pm |
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Scrivener
Noble Knight
Joined: 20 Jun 2002
Posts: 223
Location: Australia |
For those who doubt Saddam's links to terrorists, there was an interesting exchange on Slate.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2080850/entry/2080855/ |
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