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megadav
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Great Hungary |
As I said before (maybe not here), I found the opened letter on Corristo's body when I teleported back to the Old Camp, and I couldn't give it to Xardas. I was a Necromancer. BTW, I think that paladins wrote that letter.
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:47 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
I am now doing some serious cheating, just like the old days, it's the only way because time is running short and the way things are going this may not be solved before christmas.
I did read book-5 just before i came out of the free mine, and there was no corpse in the fog tower, i searched for a long time then gave up.  |
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:34 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
You mean you didn't find the corpse of the old man, how could you anyway, you says that you didn't getout of the free mine, so>???/
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 6:01 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@X-dANGEr,
In Ch-4 there is a "dual" mission, (good xp) (1) with Gorns help, defeat the guards and (2) return with 4 items for the orc slave. normally on exit of the mine after brief talk with Gorn, there is a chapter change, then if you read book 5, in the fog tower you would meet the corpse, but if you read the book just before coming out of the mine, then exit the mine the auto dialogue starts with Gorn (you have no control over this) then chapter 5 transition, then at the fog tower there is no corpse.
Because of the chapter change, again, as explained in this thread, the corpse is removed, that is BEFORE it is inserted, - - but you would have five books.
@megadav,
I cheated, started a new game, then straight to Milten, i said "i wanted my reward first, Milten said speak to Torrez, then i was given the ring of strength
only, then posessed Torrez, guess what, no letter! - - then i posessed Corristo and found the letter "opened" - - this is all before i had any experience.
Now this could be all that happens, but i have found some dialogue that i havn't seen/heard before. it is interesting and i will check it out, if i find the "way/path" - - then of course i will not say anything.  |
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Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:50 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
Maybe then you can find the tunnel and the corpse and everything.
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Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:26 am |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
Here is the last of the only info' i can remember since that first time i met the stranger - the old man.
1. If i was being chased by 4 or 5 skeletons in the fog tower when i fell into the cave, then here are the obvious logical answers:-
(a) This must have been when pc-hero was not very strong, he could not quite defend himself.
(b) The skeleton mage of the fog tower "may"? still have been alive casting summon skeletons, but they could have been left-overs (any surplus skel's would stay there)
2. Now here is the most confusing thing, and this has not been mentioned by anyone, not even wolverine_men, i came to the swamp lake, the part near where you can see the two templers at the main gate, i swam to a wooden platform climbed up some wooden stairs into a cave, this is not the old mans cave but somehow led to it, can't quite remember that bit, but it's true!
3. When you meet the old man he cannot walk, he can only turn facing pc-hero, that is why there are no waypoint lines, he does not have any, he is there all the time, he is there now in your game on your pc, you cannot see him, he is not rendered, that has to be triggered.
4. The old man gives you a quest indeed, you must find "the chest" which you will guess where, it contains the items mentioned by wolverine_men earlier in this thread, when you solve the clue where and how to open it, you will jump at the shock of "something" 
I am still looking, and i know some of you are also searching, but i am sure that one day, someone will find him, because now you all know about him, i hope one of us here can win the Alienware pc before christmas day, good luck.
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:15 pm |
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Uocjat
High Emperor
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 706
Location: deep in the dungons of area 51 |
Wulf .. im still abit fuzzy .. was this before or after you found the dead guy in the cave n' was it the english or the german version of the game
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtsy,
it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny imprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. the rset can be a
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
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Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:11 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
International version (English) 1.08j
No, never saw a corpse in that first game, if you find the corpse and read that cromanin book 6, then you've blown it, that would be the normal end.
Get this, i still have a saved game from coming out of the free mine, reading book 5, talking to Gorn, then chapter change (5) then to the fog tower
- - no corpse, in the journal notes it says "this seems to be the last, i'm eager to find out who or what i'm going to encounter , , , you will find me where it all began, thats the same as when you find the corpse! - - i have triggered the chapter change ch5, so it would be fair to say after that is too late into the game 
Unless you see the wooden steps on the cliff overlooking the sea, then nothing will happen |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:17 am |
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Uocjat
High Emperor
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 706
Location: deep in the dungons of area 51 |
well the chapter change might have made the dead guy go away .. not sure if its at all possible for a dead body to stay in place in a chapter change ..
this whole thing is weird .. wish someone had a save game of the old man whit the quest ..
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtsy,
it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny imprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. the rset can be a
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:38 am |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@Uocjat,
Your thinking is correct, only those players that are aware of this will understand, messing about with insertions makes you learn many of things in gothic, you will know that once you take book-6 from the corpse then walk away some distance, say 100metres, when you go back to the corpse, he is gone. Now because you know of this, you will realise that after the chapter change, (which i assume is the rendering point of new, in-game insertions) then one can only guess that the triggers are "correctly set" for finding the old man, it's just that, that part of the unknown storyline bit is "primed" ready, waiting to be triggered. (if you see what i mean) 
In time to come, some-one, somewhere will swap saved games that contain the triggered events.
Some dead bodies do stay throughout the chapter changes but not many, only certain npc's, Mud is one, the corpse isn't,
Did you have every book? - - not just the cromanin books, - -
"the answer is in the books" - do you understand "unity" ?
do you know what "true power does? - - do you understand "word of the gods"
can you remember who told of "duallity" - - do you know how to react to the three "elements" or was it four( ) do you understan how to enable the "seed of magic" once these are understood, then you are nearly there. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:41 am |
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megadav
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Great Hungary |
Oh my... I hardly understand anything. My main problem is that are we talking about triggers that change the game without any logic (?), and have to be experienced, or are we talking about books and teachings, which are completely logical within the story? If you understand...
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:49 am |
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Uocjat
High Emperor
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 706
Location: deep in the dungons of area 51 |
i just had a weird idea .. there are 6 books in totalt right .. and also 6 chapters of the game .. maybe its worth trying just getting one book in each chapter .. this is gonna be hard seens you aint really ready to battle skeletons in chapter 1 .. but it seems like one of thoses insanely evil way game programmers try to hide cool things in the game ... just an idea might be totaly pointless
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtsy,
it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny imprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. the rset can be a
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:04 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@Uocjat,
I tried that many times, its even mentioned early in this thread, but although it is logical, i could never do it, but the first four books, up until ch4 -book 4, looks good, because then, in your journal notes it says, "i'm beginning to think, am i being fooled around by this guy"? - - ?
@megadav,
If i explain too much, i will give the "game away" and you could win that alienware pc before me, but never let it be said that Wulf is not a fair guy, here's a bit more,
When Xardas say's "it is a sign" he goes on to say "your sign (pc-hero) is the unification of the elements" (unity) - can you Join up the elements? - they are, fire, ice and stone. When Xardas's demon is given "three" hearts, you still are left with a "piece"- - now, how can you then unify fire, ice and stone, do you not see?
The seed of magic grows each day after you sleep past midnight, did you know that, why not? - its in the books, unity is in the "poem of Myrtana" then there is "the power of magic" next time you read it, look for a small word in black, written on the left side of your screen, read the book each day before you sleep? - - there is more - learn from the books. Can you get your mana up past 500 naturally, no cheats, because then you can use the . . . . no! i am giving too much away. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:05 pm |
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Uocjat
High Emperor
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 706
Location: deep in the dungons of area 51 |
christ Wulf your even more cryptic then the books them selfs
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtsy,
it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny imprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. the rset can be a
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:19 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
Ha ha Uocjat, maybe you are right, 
But then i've been at it for nearly four years, these are the reasons why nobody has found him. As much as it is well hidden, in fact it is right in front of your eye's. This is why gothic is the best. Good luck.  |
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