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| What Do you Think of the Movie? |
| Awesome, better than the first one |
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57% |
[ 26 ] |
| Awesome, but not the best |
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31% |
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| Average, The first was better |
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8% |
[ 4 ] |
| Poor, Don't waste your time with it |
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2% |
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DzD
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Of course you can, I read all three books on a week.
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hammermd23
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Joined: 26 Oct 2002
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Am I the only one disappointed with the dang plot decisions? Maybe it's because i just recently re-read the book, but, holy mother of christ, it's a BIT DIFFERENT don't you think?
I mean, I know it's impossible not to OMIT things that WERE in the book, but for crying out loud, why would you INSERT 45 MINUTES OF MADE-UP STUFF instead? THat crap with Eowyn and the commoners walking with the army to Helm's Deep was just NEVER THERE in the book...in fact, the whole battle with the warg-riders ('OH, NO! ARAGORN's DEAD...He fell over the cliff to have a 25-minute dream about Arwen and Elrond and Galadriel...whatever shall we do?') was totally written by Jackson, Walsh, and Boyens. I mean, things like this can't even be INFERRED by reading the book.
Granted, the special effects were much better than FOTR, with the siege and Gollum and everything...in fact, I will agree that Gollum is the best use of CGI ANYTHING ever seen on the big screen...including all of Helm's Deep and all of the last 2 starwars flicks.
However, the FOTR stuck with the story much better, and the extended DVD version is almost flawless because they were allowed to INCLUDE the stuff they had to LEAVE OUT. The only way TTT can match up is by CUTTING stuff they LEFT IN, and REPLACING it with stuff that ACTUALLY HAPPENED. This will, of course, never occur.
All-in-all, if I hadn't just read the book, I would say that it was one of the best fantasy flicks i had seen in forever...also, my Dad really liked it, and he hadn't read the books in 30 years (although he still remembers the basic plot real well).
Just my 2 cents. Merry x-mas RPGdot fans!
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Tue Dec 24, 2002 7:49 am |
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hammermd23
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Joined: 26 Oct 2002
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Okay, I guess I just need to rant a bit more...
Faramir...what the hell was up with this guy?!?! I mean, in the book, he was a literary foil to his brother...in the movie, he's a damn carbon-copy! For godsake, in the book, he just LETS THEM GO after giving them supplies and stuff...he leads them awhile through the forest and send them on their way...in fact, far from trying to take the ring from Frodo, he says something like '...I would not take this thing if it were lying by the side of the road...'
And then, what's up with the Nazgul at the end, and Sam's sappy speech about how '...there's good in the world worth fighting for, Mr. Frodo...'? Good movies rarely ever need to state their core themes and messages out loud, and the book certainly did not. argghh!
Sorry...  I guess I'm going crazy here...just wonder if anyone agrees? My wife thinks I'm an idiot...she loved it...although, she's never read the books... |
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Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:08 am |
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Val
Risen From Ashes
Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
Location: Utah, USA |
Getting a little spoilerish there. Please try not to drop any more spoilers. Also, please watch your language. Thanks. 
Edit: There's also an edit button. No need for double posts. 
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Tue Dec 24, 2002 8:21 am |
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hammermd23
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Joined: 26 Oct 2002
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right, right...right on all counts...sorry  ...I guess I need to review the forum rules and check my fervor at the door...  |
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Tue Dec 24, 2002 9:21 am |
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Remus
Overgrown Cat
Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 1657
Location: Fish bowl |
Well, i am aware that in the second movie PJ did changed more parts of the storyline which unavailable in Tolkien's books. The purist will object to those changes of course, but overall (from survey) most people accept the changes, except less in the case of Faramir. But we haven't got the full picture yet - we need to see the third movie on how this character will be developed. For me, all the changes never really bother me much - i rather separate the movie from the books. Movie and book are two very different media, and that's why the changes is needed. Even if PJ almost fully follow the plot in the books, some people will still criticizes the movies - for just been too original to it sources, such as the case in Harry potter movies. |
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Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:02 am |
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Erb Duchenne
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Joined: 08 Jun 2002
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@hammermd23 - I absolutely agree with you. It's amazing how some die-hard fans of LOTR will argue at length the justification of changes to story, while others the opposite.
However, although I acknowledge the movie being rather different to the written version (a fact to which some people remain arrogantly oblivious to) I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed both.
This is certainly not the first movie I've seen which deviates from its written equivalent and it definitely will not be the last. Many things do not translate well to film and when you tweak one thing, there's repercussions down-line.
I think if the books were to be made to a movie as-is, it'll probably span 25 movies or so. There's a lot of little things which happened in them books.
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Tue Dec 24, 2002 11:21 pm |
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Bilbo
High Emperor
Joined: 12 Mar 2002
Posts: 1620
Location: New York |
Both movies were great. But I finally decided I liked the first one better, and voted accordingly. I felt 4 negative things about TTT (entmoot, Arwen, Aragorn at the cliff, and the camerawork at Helm's Deep). And while these negatives were minor, I didn't have these negatives after FOTR.
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Originally posted by Erb Duchenne
However, although I acknowledge the movie being rather different to the written version (a fact to which some people remain arrogantly oblivious to) I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed both.
Not rather different. Given what Peter Jackson is trying to interpret (a lot of things, and a lot of things in people's head), he's done a remarkable job of keeping true to the original.
In terms a character differences: Faramir is less pure than in the book, but we barely know him so far. Gimli is far more comic, but remains true to character otherwise. Treebeard is just cut down (pun intended) due to time considerations, but you still get his deliberateness and ta-ta-dum rolling speech. The plot changes involving Aragorn to me were unnecessary, but they humanized him and gave justification (well, maybe not justification, but at least explanation) for his actions which weren't explained in the book.
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Originally posted by hammermd23
Good movies rarely ever need to state their core themes and messages out loud, and the book certainly did not.
I agree that good movies don't need the speechifying to explain themselves. But I disagree with your characterizations of the written trilogy - I think Tolkien often had his characters speak his themes; he didn't write this as an allegory, and told people he didn't, so he had to push his themes out to the forefront with his characters' words.
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TribalMan
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The wife and I saw LOTR: TTT Thursday and we both enjoyed it. I would have to say I liked this one better, but only because I just saw it. I only saw FOTR once at the theatre when it was released, and I can't quite recall much of the movie. When the trilogy is complete I will have to get the DVD Trilogy Collection and watch them all back to back. After that I may be more capable of criticism or raving or picking a favorite
I had no complaints with anything in the movie except for the ending. I would enjoy a little finality but I guess I have to wait another year for that. 
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Val
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I think I enjoyed FOTR a bit more than TTT. Although TTT was wonderful I just don't like it more.
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
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Location: Australia |
Saw TTT yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. That's the most important consideration in any movie, book or game. The one thing I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the great humour. Everyone in the theatre was laughing a great deal throughout much of the film. Gimli was hilarious and so were some of the other characters. If I had any complaint, it would be Frodo was a little overwrought at times.
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Sun Dec 29, 2002 5:34 am |
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Dhruin
Stranger In A Strange Land
Joined: 20 May 2002
Posts: 1825
Location: Sydney, Australia |
Saw TTT a couple of days ago. I think it marginally pips FOTR for me but it's awfully close. There seemed to be more depth in the development of the characters and I enjoyed switching between the three story lines.
Gollum was brilliant (wow!) and Helm's Deep and the destruction of Isengard were incredible scenes; only the bridge in Moria came close to those scenes for me.
I also appreciated less lingering shots of the ring and Frodo being overwrought. On the negative the plot changes were a bit more perplexing than in FOTR. I've thought for a while about the changes to Faramir and can't really think what PJ thought was the advantage. Still, not a big point to worry about. |
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Sun Dec 29, 2002 8:45 am |
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Gothic Soul
Master of Shadows
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 682
Location: Underdark |
This movie is just awesome there are fights everywhere The first was Awesome since I've watched it 6 times without getting tired but I thing this second one I will watch it like 20 times without getting tired of it is just a great action sequence with a lot of hilarious scenes Gimli was just great. I rated this one awesome better than the first one But for me I like them both equally.
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Thu Jan 02, 2003 6:42 pm |
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Phoenix_666
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Hi!
Hey! Hammermd23 I agree with you. It was annying to see Faramir be the complete opposite in the movie to his carac. in the film. I am a die-hard fan of allot of fantasy films/books etc. and I was angry when I saw it.
Also I think the ents were too tall and thin when they should have been large blocky (although thats only my opinion).
Although I thought Gollem was great I think that one of the best parts of the films was the conversation between Smeagol and Gollem in those old ruins. That was the work of a genius.
- I can't wait till the end of this year to see ROTK.
(if people are wondering why I haen't put this in earlier it's because I have only just seen the film.)
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Sat Jan 04, 2003 9:56 pm |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
I saw this the other day and must vote Excellent movie. I thought Golum was great, except they left out the part where he actually says "gollum" in the back of his throat like it was supposed to be in the book.
And just to balance things out i thought Gimli is a retard.
<<< ammon mumbles something about himself hating dwarves >>>
and i didnt think they showed enough of the evil faces of the orcs like they did in the first movie. the close-ups of their ugly faces. i love that high-quality animation stuff, its excellent to me eyes even though they are ugly as sin...
overall, excellent movie, i cant wait for Return of the King, will be great |
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