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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
O.k. Garanixx,
First welcome to the forums,
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but mainly i just wanted to say that.. if something like this is indeed possible, then surely it would be written in the official gothic strategy guide
It is official that in the international versions of Gothic contains the added quest "der fremde".
How it is approached is up to the player - - is it not?
The proof of the pudding is in the eating? - do you think you have the ability to solve the riddle?  |
Sat Jul 17, 2004 10:05 am |
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Garanixx
Village Dweller
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Posts: 21
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quote:
Originally posted by Wulf
The proof of the pudding is in the eating?
first of all thank you for the welcome 
now indeed that is true,however if its the official strategy guide, and one pays to buy it,one pays for it to be certain they have found everything, therefore i still think that if there were any other possible endings to this quest,they are surely written in there, all possible endings would still be written, even though the playing is to be left to the player, that is what strategy guides are for,they contain every secret in the game, or do you perchance know of any strategy guides that cheat and dont contain everything? i dont, but then again i havent seen many,i still think it is written in there if its at all possible |
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Sat Jul 17, 2004 11:40 am |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@Garranixx,
Yes i well understand what you are saying, personally i never read any game manuals, this alternative ending is special, its above the normal, its is for those who make the extra thought/effort, so to be contrary, it is the very point of not revealing it, at least you have my word that the quest is true - - - - it is not my problem, those who cannot solve it must not ridicule those that can.
However, if i solve the problem first, i would not reveal the way it was found, i would send many detailed/extreme statistics sreenshots of proof, but no more. |
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Sat Jul 17, 2004 12:20 pm |
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Garanixx
Village Dweller
Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Posts: 21
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alright ^^ understandable, then i wish you the very best of luck in solving this quest,i am playing gothic again right now,but i myself of course and slaughtering everything i can once again
you never know when a developer might get the idea to make a secret quest that is so super hidden that its broken down in fragments into other files,it would indeed be extremely hard to find that way,so it is a possibility, and it is also understandable why they would not want to reveal it in the strategy guide after putting so much effort into it, point taken, and since you actually saw the old man yourself, it may very well be.
best of luck in finding it,i will stick around this thread to follow the happening,this is getting really interesting to watch |
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Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:17 pm |
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Gorath
Mostly Harmless
Joined: 03 Sep 2001
Posts: 6327
Location: NRW, Germany |
At first I thought this alternative ending thing is just one of those bad jokes we have here sometimes. Now I´m still sceptical about it. A dev must have defined its conditions during the production of the game. Why did nobody in the German communities find it in mor than 3 years? Why would a dev design a quest solution which nobody ever finds?
Maybe you were mistaking the stranger with another character.
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Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:02 am |
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elkston
High Emperor
Joined: 21 Sep 2002
Posts: 691
Location: North Carolina, USA |
Wow. I can't beleive I missed this thread.
Wulf,
I've read many of your posts outside this topic and you seem like an intelligent guy. So why are you letting wolverine_man pull your chain with this obvious hoax?
I betcha he reads this thread and laughs his ass off at those who have tried to find this BS "alternate ending" using his cryptic clues and nebulous ramblings.
He even so much as admitted he's joking when he posted the thing about giving anyone who solves it a free Alienware PC. I mean c'mon -- do you really think he's serious about that?
Not once has wolverine_man offered any proof of this discovery. No screenshots, no sound files, no concrete or specific instructions about how to reproduce it.
Now I *suppose* its possible that the solution is so convoluted that he doesn't know *how* he got it. But lets look at the reality:
1. Gothic has been out for 3 years. Even longer in Germany.
2. During that time, thousands of fans have played and replayed the game over and over again. Every inch of terrain has been explored, every dialouge option taken, every quest broken down into its minute details.
3. Do you REALLY think that this secret Chromanin ending could have eluded *all* these players for so long?
This is all BS and a huge hoax. This thread should end NOW. If by some miracle, wolverine_man wants to post a screenshot of his discovery he can do this at anytime and redeem himself. Until he's nothing but a lying troll.
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Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:25 am |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@Gorath, trust me, i have no ulterior motives.
Well now Elkston,
I know that you too are an intelligent fellow, and that your strategy of adding brimstone to this thread will not deter us believers in the slightest. in fact our resolve grows stronger, even more-so since wolverine_mens most thoughtful offer.
I am not a liar, and what you say infers so, but it is like water of a ducks back to me, your scheme will not work on me due to one overriding fact :- "i have seen the old man"- this is the reason why i have continued with the flow on this thread, no other.
It was unknown to me at that first time, i saved the game then continued the following day, he was still there in his cave, i ran from camp to camp, each time returning to the cave he was allways still there, if you should perchance to meet him, he will not fade or run away, he knows he is safe with you (pc-hero) because of your respect for him. The cave is always accessible from the wooden steps from outside, after the first initial meeting.
The day of reckoning will soon come, the chaff will be seperated from the wheat, you have made your decision and i hope you keep your word and not change camps on the day of enlightenment. |
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Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:19 am |
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Squeek
Village Leader
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
Posts: 88
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Lighten up elkston. There's no need to question our intelligence, infer Wulf is lying, or demand that this thread be closed.
Sure it would be unlikely if The Stranger was found after all this time, and for all those reasons you spelled out. But it wouldn't be impossible, would it? Yeah, it's a common hoax. We know. But this claim is different than the others, because Wulf saw the old man too.
Explain this if you're so smart: What are the chances that someone would show up here, out of the blue, and describe something off-the-wall that could be confirmed by anyone else -- let alone someone who is a veteran on these boards? How likely is that?
We haven't figured this out yet, but neither have you.
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Sun Jul 18, 2004 11:04 pm |
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kriksa
Baron of the Court
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
Posts: 328
Location: Estonia |
to elkston
1)i think chromanin quest came with a patch, so it hasnt been for 3 years
2)alot of people havent done it(atleast not many times), cause its not main plot related
3)maybe some people have found the old man alive, but didnt know its such a big deal and havent reported about it anywhere, or maybe have, but we havent seen/heard that report |
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Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:09 am |
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elkston
High Emperor
Joined: 21 Sep 2002
Posts: 691
Location: North Carolina, USA |
Okay, I'll admit that I was a bit overzealous in calling for the closure of the thread.
I was just a bit teed off because I *love* Gothic and really want to find out about some great quest that I've missed for so long.
But all this just stinks to me.
You mentioned the fact that wolverine_man was a newcomer strengthens his claim. This actually makes me more suspicious. He's only made 5 posts all of them in this thread I am sure. He is not a regular contributor to the board like Wulf, so I question his motives. My guess is that Wolverine_man has been a lurker for sometime, and now he started this thread to try and have some fun.
It would have been okay to let it go on for a little while, and then admit he was kidding--but dragging it on for this long is just wrong.
If such a quest existed then some record of it would be in the game data files. In the maps, somewhere.
Okay, it is *possible* that the data is encrypted somewhere and then decoded at runtime when the quest activates. But why would the devs go through so much trouble to hide this one thing? Esp. when they were running out of time near the end anyway.
Yes, squeek, It's *possible* that wolverine_man is correct. But not very likely.
And as for what Wulf saw -- Who knows. Maybe its something we all saw and he's confusing it with this discovery. Maybe he's talking about Gilbert -- the old Camp exile you find up in the small cave....
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Mon Jul 19, 2004 1:21 am |
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Squeek
Village Leader
Joined: 28 Apr 2003
Posts: 88
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Originally posted by elkston
Maybe he's talking about Gilbert -- the old Camp exile you find up in the small cave....
Well, memory does play tricks on you. But Gilbert is in a plain old cave, and it's nowhere near the Fog Tower. He doesn't look any different from some of the other diggers either (he just sounds old). And he doesn't give you a quest.
I can't think of any other part of the game that resembles this. |
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Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:14 am |
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Keyser
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Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 3
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wow...this thread is still going strong. im gonna quote myself from about page 4 or 5. a while ago i investigated the chromanin very intensively, and heres the post i made of my conclusions.
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Originally posted by Keyser
guys, this is getting old. the 'alternate' chromanin ending does not exist.
there is no evidence *whatsoever* of it existing. there is no world geometry of this hidden place, there is no audio file of this old man talking about the chromanin, and there is nothing in gothic.dat that points to an alternate chromanin ending. not to mention that those who claim to have 'solved' it have failed to provide a single bit of useful information about it. (and dont give me that "i spent x hours finding this and im proud of it! ill give you some rediculous hints so you can find it yourself" crap, you could easily post a screenshot without giving any hints how to accomplish it)
so here are the possibilites.
1) this is a hoax
2) this is real, and the gothic devs succeeded in making the most amazingly well hidden secret in the history of videogames. they somehow managed to hide *all* evidence of this secret encrypted somewhere deep in the gothic files, so deep that you can count the number of people who have found it on one hand with change.
...and they found the time to do all this despite leaving numerous large bugs as well as severe game inbalances.
you decide.
sorry to spoil everyones fun. but i am a realistic person. just like everyone else here, i am a HUGE gothic fan, and the thought of such a major secret eluding me was very interesting. but when i investigated myself, and weighed the evidence, there was only one logical conclusion. this is a hoax.
i do recognize the vague possibility that i am wrong about this, and if i am, then all apologies. and my hats off to the devs. but at this point the only thing that will convince me that the man can be found alive will be seeing it with my own eyes.
elkston, i agree with you for the most part. (altho you were a bit crude with your opinions  ) but i wont go so far as to call wulf a liar. i wouldnt be at all suprised if wulf really does beleive that he found the old man alive way back when. but memory is not reliable. it can change the face of a person, the color of a car, etc. it can distort facts and also convince you of something that is entirely false.
on the other hand, 'wulf' is just a name on a forum to me (and to all of us). how much can you really 'trust' the word of a faceless, voiceless name on a forum? again im not calling wulf a liar, im just saying to all you who want to beleive the alternate chromanin exists, do some research for yourself. you will find no evidence *at all* of its existance. all you 'believers' are really going on is the word of someone you have never met. |
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Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:16 am |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
That is absolutely true. It your choice, - - as for me, i don't tell lies, my reasoning in the real world of today has no need for such, the truth is sufficient for all my needs.
Consider this, when someone says "it's all a hoax" then somewhere into the wording is slipped the phrase "but could be true i suppose" - - that is surely speaking as a diametric sceptic, make you choice one way or another. |
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Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:53 am |
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elkston
High Emperor
Joined: 21 Sep 2002
Posts: 691
Location: North Carolina, USA |
Just to set the record straight, I did not call Wulf a liar, but rather wolverine_man, the originator of this thread. And Perhaps 'liar' is a bit strong in this case. "Prankster" would be more appropirate here.
Wulf, I apologize if you took my comments the wrong way. You have made some very good and insightful posts on all the Gothic boards and I enjoy your presence here.
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Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:38 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@elkston,
It's quite allright, we are all mature minded and it is a discussion forum after all, thats why we are here to exchange views and ideas. Wolverine?men and i are in the same boat, we have "both" seen him, we will not be separated by that fact, i also enjoy the game and the humour and bits of fun from time to time.
This cromanin thing is of significant importance, yes i also have checked many aspects of the game, there are no wav files (but he does talk) the torso and head models/meshes/textures can be inserted by the game instantly as we know, but the cave insertion is beyond me at present. This really does need the brains on these forums to solve, we should all be together in the resolve to finding this, maybe your suggestions along these lines could prove helpful rather than a hindrance.?  |
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