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| Is Gothic Sexist? |
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25% |
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| No |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 9708
Location: RPGDot |
Reality is something very personal, and in my reality, generalizations are wrong.
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Tue Oct 22, 2002 2:19 pm |
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Pinnen
Wearer of the Hat
Joined: 19 May 2002
Posts: 7092
Location: The Sandy Beach Resort |
I will not even comment the stupidity in the women-statement. It´s about as smart to say
"Hey, you know Adolf Hitler was a pretty nice guy after all. At least he did something about the overpopulation!"
Or
"Why should blacks have the right to vote? In fact, why do we even pay them? Shouldn´t they work for free? It´s a damn shame slavery isn´t allowed anymore, it did help cutting down unemployment."
Get a grip, folks. If you have more were that came from, like "Why isn´t there a national holiday of cross-burning?" please keep it to yourselfs. Or rather, don´t keep it at all.
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CaptainWorshipperNonFlamer
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Tue Oct 22, 2002 5:07 pm |
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[= D3m0n C0mm4nd0 =]
Keeper of the Gates
Joined: 05 Aug 2002
Posts: 106
Location: Sydney, Australia |
Yes, but all you guys have been saying the SAME thing, theres no women in the OLD CAMP because it is the only prison camp in the game, so when Diego is talking to you he is talking about the Old Camp. But think about it, the New or Old Camp could have women. Women can also be warriors and stuff too, so when you think about it the game is sort of sexist.
IVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM
...I think
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Thu Oct 24, 2002 7:06 am |
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Shrapnel
Rocket Scientist
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 1325
Location: Newark, NJ |
Yer rEEl sm@rT liek |
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Thu Oct 24, 2002 2:05 pm |
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Velnias
Village Dweller
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 24
Location: Dallas, Texas |
quote:
Originally posted by Jaz
Reality is something very personal, and in my reality, generalizations are wrong.
Generalizations may be wrong, but stereotypes come about for a reason. Mankind didn't just wake up one day and say, "You know, I think I'll start arbitrarily assuming that, physiologically speaking, women don't have the same muscle mass as men, and so in our primitive medieval culture based on the illogical concept of 'might makes right' we should treat them like second-class citizens." (<- this was sarcasm, for the sarcasm-impaired)
What came about wasn't arbitrary or illogical. It made a lot of sense in the context of the culture. It wasn't fair, to be sure, but life rarely was. Or is.
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Originally posted by [= D3m0n C0mm4nd0 =]
Yes, but all you guys have been saying the SAME thing...
But think about it, the New or Old Camp could have women. Women can also be warriors and stuff too, so when you think about it the game is sort of sexist.
IVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM
Funny that you should mention the concept of "same" when you're just rehashing the same statements without any flow of logic to support them. Can women lift a sword? Sure. Now ask yourself why, back in medieval times, female warriors weren't more prevalent.
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Sat Oct 26, 2002 12:43 pm |
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VergoldeterMensch
Village Dweller
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 6
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Brunhilde? or the Valkyries?
hey; ask the german!
Valkyries or Valküren are no women who were fighting, there were more like angels in the germanish religion; big breasted, blond women in warrior clothes (yes, I'm serios, they imagened valkyries like this) who lead dead warriors to Valhalla (val:war, halla:hall) in Asgard (it's like heaven; we are living on midgard, and yes, mitgard is the underworld too) where they could drink met and have women and meet, of course, all members of threy're family(it seemed to be a big party for the rest of time).
i don't know exactly who Brunhilde was, but she's a charakter of the nibelungen-lied(lied:song); you know, the story from siegfried who slayed a dragon and took a bath in his blood so he became immortal. i think brunhilde was his whife, who signed siegfierd only hurtable spot on his body with an cross, so hagen were able to kill him(god, she was soooo stupit to do what hagen said)!
--and another point why no fighting women in gothic wern't sexistic:
men are rather battle seeking as women, and would you try to be an fighting women in an land full of sexual fustrated and akrassive men? and don't say that a strong woman would make her way; 1-6 woman against 1-3 camps full of men, who hasn't seen an woman for days-months-years?
Bis dann! |
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Sat Oct 26, 2002 5:13 pm |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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quote:
Originally posted by VergoldeterMensch
mitgard is the underworld too)
where they could drink met and have women and meet, of course, all members of threy're family(it seemed to be a big party for the rest of time).
While you’re right about the Valkries and about Midgard being Earth, you’re wrong about Midgard being the underworld as well.
Grr, where did I put my Elder Edda? *After much searching, a sign of relief* I thought I‘d lost it for a minute there.
What about Hel, Nastrandir, and Hevergelmir? Those are the places where the bad people go, and they are not on the same branch of Yggdrasil as Midgard. Actually I’m not 100% that Hel isn’t but I am positive that the other two are.
While Valhalla, and the often forgotten Folkvang, were seen as a good place to go, I don’t believe what you said about Valhalla was really true either. I’m not sure whether or not they had access to women, but those were not places for families. Valhalla and Folkvang were where warriors trained for the eventual Ragnarok. The men would train and kill each, then would be resurrected and would all feast and get drunk together. Each night they would eat the cosmic boar Sahrimnir, the Norsemen liked to name everything and I mean everything, which would be cooked by Andhrimnir.
And BTW while Valhalla and Folkvang are heavens they are not the only ones, there is also Gimle, the hall Brimir which is on Okolnir, and the hall on Nidafjoll which is called Sindri. |
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Sat Oct 26, 2002 6:20 pm |
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VergoldeterMensch
Village Dweller
Joined: 09 Oct 2002
Posts: 6
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thank's for correction!!! 
i'm not an expert, and not even such an expert you are!
-love to learn about this culture |
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Sun Oct 27, 2002 2:37 pm |
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Roach
SBR Belfry Bat
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 3233
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quote:
Originally posted by VergoldeterMensch
thank's for correction!!!
i'm not an expert, and not even such an expert you are!
-love to learn about this culture
I’m far from being an expert, everything I posted is in a very short book. If you have any interest at all in Norse Mythology I suggest you get it, it’s called the Prose (or elder) Edda, and it’s a fascinating read. It was originally written by Snorri Sturluson, though in a now dead language, but there are dozen of good/decent translation. |
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Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:33 pm |
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DABhand
Noble Knight
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 211
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quote:
Originally posted by [= D3m0n C0mm4nd0 =]
Yes, but all you guys have been saying the SAME thing, theres no women in the OLD CAMP because it is the only prison camp in the game, so when Diego is talking to you he is talking about the Old Camp. But think about it, the New or Old Camp could have women. Women can also be warriors and stuff too, so when you think about it the game is sort of sexist.
IVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM
...I think
But there is women in the old camp, in gomez's little castle |
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Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:12 pm |
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[= D3m0n C0mm4nd0 =]
Keeper of the Gates
Joined: 05 Aug 2002
Posts: 106
Location: Sydney, Australia |
quote:
Originally posted by DABhand
But there is women in the old camp, in gomez's little castle
Yes, but they're whores 
Also, I noticed that none of the characters in the game have a weight difference...they're all the same width and height, lol  that's a bit weird. 
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Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:41 am |
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DABhand
Noble Knight
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 211
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Mudd is skinny, and the cook boy is a bit chubby.
Gomez is a bit taller and chubby then others also.
Cor Kalom is a bit smaller in height.
But 80% of the game yeah is the same stats.
I think they use the same model for all shadows and miners. |
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Mon Oct 28, 2002 12:13 pm |
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[= D3m0n C0mm4nd0 =]
Keeper of the Gates
Joined: 05 Aug 2002
Posts: 106
Location: Sydney, Australia |
Gomez only looks big because of his armour, he is probably the exact same model, the only different person is the cook, thats about it.
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Tue Oct 29, 2002 10:28 am |
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Anfisa
Village Dweller
Joined: 31 Oct 2002
Posts: 4
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I don't think that Gothic is sexist. And I'm fond of seeing so many men around me  But the only dissapointing thing is that I can't play as a women character. It would be more comfortable for me because if I've played as a women character I can better identify it with myself. So I decided to become a mage because mages usually wear skirts and robes and my character looks like a woman  |
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