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Aram
Village Dweller
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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I've been very wary of home schooling, some people don’t count it as high as a normal education. I'm trying to talk to the school about it (they have state programs) but it's hard to trust them. There is no real hurry in deciding until next year, I just want all the information possible, high school can somewhat decide your life (no stress huh?). I wish people would put more focus into our education system, it really says something about your country when you spend more on military than anything else. We wouldn't need so much military spending if they just spent some extra time teaching us how to treat the world. The problem begins when we offend so many other countries through ignorance, therefore having to fight them over something we eventually forget about. It defiantly wouldn't hurt to spend some extra money on teaching things like ethics and history to our future leaders. Maybe the reason I cant sleep is because I see too many problems I cant fix. |
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Korplem
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Joined: 23 Dec 2002
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Location: Pearl Harbor, HI |
I think that an ALC would be very suited for you. I missed over 40 days in one semester one year and nobody said a thing. Not to mention that if its like the one I went to the harder you work the faster you can get out of high school.
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Llama
High Emperor
Joined: 11 Oct 2001
Posts: 509
Location: Earth |
I was always under the impression that grade school was more about getting the basic fundamentals of learning, along with the most important lesson of all...
The ability to socially interact with all different types of people.
If you are wanting to be truely educated, then, as always you must wait for college.
The "No child left behind" act is merely a means of focus for teachers/parents to help assure that their child will not fall so far behind the standard curriculum that they are "left behind".
You appear to be taking this too seriously. Enjoy your life as a teenager more, and don't worry so much about what you're learning in school, and whether or not you're just another "number" in the system.
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I wish people would put more focus into our education system, it really says something about your country when you spend more on military than anything else. We wouldn't need so much military spending if they just spent some extra time teaching us how to treat the world. The problem begins when we offend so many other countries through ignorance, therefore having to fight them over something we eventually forget about.
Umm... What kind of warped propaganda is that?
Do you think the deaths of thousands in the Sept 11 attacks were just misconceptions of terrorists merely saying "Hey America, how's it hanging?" rather than acts of pure brutality against not only our country but every country that had citizens aboard those planes? Do you think the smashing of that plane into the pentagon was just a handshake gone horribly wrong?
Oh, what about World War 2... I guess the slaughtering of millions of Jewish people was just ignorantly misunderstood by our uneducated leaders? I mean the fact that people were being singled out, marked, taken away and burned alive when they were of no more value to the camps was just their way of having large family barbeques?
Or the current conflict in Iraq. Yes, granted, our intelligence failed us on this one, and the reports of WMD's were not accurate like the President was lead to believe. But does not that change the fact that we have successfully removed yet ANOTHER tyrant that has tormented the people of his country for decades? Gased innocent men, women and children for mere shits and giggles. Held executions for his own enjoyment... Such a wonderfully misunderstood gentleman he was. If only we had more "smarts" we would have been able to see through the shroud of deception and into the heart of a man loving his country and the people in it. 
I fail to see how you can claim we simply go to war with countries simply because we are DUMB.
We are CALLED upon by nearly every corner of this beautiful planet to help defend those that cannot defend themselves. We do not just fly warplanes around and look for the next unsuspecting punk peeing in the wrong bush to carpet bomb into oblivion.
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Aram
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Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Wow, you really took what I said out of context, but you capture some of what I meant. What I aimed at was a higher society, hoping we could instill more into the youth through education. Yes, we do go to war over ignorance, and mainly greed. I never mentioned 9/11 in what I said, and yes we should punish those who did us wrong, but what I meant was that we could prevent things like this years in advance. Go back several decades, that military spending I mentioned was PAYING for Saddam to torture those innocent people you care about so much. Go back to the Gulf War, we landed in Saudi Arabia to protect our rights to oil, upsetting a man named Osama, ten years later he was ordering planes crashed into the Trade Centers. We are putting military as a first resort and first priority, when it should be one of the last. Simply look north to Canada, they have little need for military because they don’t piss everyone off! When was the last time someone declared war on Canada, when was there ever a time?
America's first response to anything is to declare war on it, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, the war on illiteracy. Maybe if we had some people in charge who understood the problems we face, and better ways to prevent them, then we wouldn't need so much strength to hide behind. If we spent a little more money teaching ethics to these corporate business owners, maybe they wouldn't be employing some underprivileged foreigner fifty cents a day to work their fingers bloody making the shoes we wear. That same foreigner is also laid off the first sign of illness or injury, with no compensation paid to them or their family. Can you really blame these people when they decide to pick up a gun instead of another shoe?
You cant blame or criticize the people doing this, because they are simply a product of your society. If you want this to end, focus your attention on the source of these things, not the outcome. |
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 3:09 am |
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Llama
High Emperor
Joined: 11 Oct 2001
Posts: 509
Location: Earth |
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Yes, we do go to war over ignorance, and mainly greed. I never mentioned 9/11 in what I said, and yes we should punish those who did us wrong, but what I meant was that we could prevent things like this years in advance.
I never said you did... Am I not allowed to bring in new information to a debate, or should I just sit back and wait for you to mention everything first?
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Go back several decades, that military spending I mentioned was PAYING for Saddam to torture those innocent people you care about so much.
There was not a national conspiracy to pay him so he could kill innocent people. There was hope for the middle east, and the rest of the WORLD thought he would be that shining light.
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Go back to the Gulf War, we landed in Saudi Arabia to protect our rights to oil,
We did not send a SINGLE troop until the Saudi's requested assistance from the United States. It was not to protect our RIGHTS to oil, but we are always attempting to maintain some degree of stability to the oil flow, not just to ourselves but the rest of the nations that get some/all of the their oil from the Middle East.
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upsetting a man named Osama, ten years later he was ordering planes crashed into the Trade Centers.
Years earlier we were training him how to fight the Russians. I guess we could have just allowed the Soviet to overrun the area in the hopes he would not become the terrorist he was.
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We are putting military as a first resort and first priority, when it should be one of the last.
Education ahead of safety... Nice
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Simply look north to Canada, they have little need for military because they don’t piss everyone off! When was the last time someone declared war on Canada, when was there ever a time?
Yes, they aren't a world power, that aren't held to the expectations that the United States has. There is a difference between those that CAN defend themselves and those that can't. If Canada were to be attack tomorrow, the US would be the first country they're run to for aid. But if you had your way, we wouldn't be able to help defend them, which would mean we'd be the next country invaded once Canada was blitzed.
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America's first response to anything is to declare war on it, the war on drugs, the war on poverty, the war on illiteracy. Maybe if we had some people in charge who understood the problems we face, and better ways to prevent them, then we wouldn't need so much strength to hide behind.
Yes, because it's so easy to control the minds of 293 million people. If only we had someone in charge that could just tell all of us ignorant folk to stop doing drugs, read whether you want to or not, and get jobs that pay more money.
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You cant blame or criticize the people doing this, because they are simply a product of your society. If you want this to end, focus your attention on the source of these things, not the outcome.
Not a product of MY society, rather a product of their own. It's not the United States fault that ruthless dictators rise up and bring the country crashing down around them.
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Aram
Village Dweller
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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You’re really jumping way past the mark here. All I'm trying to say is that all these things can be prevented. Your taking everything a say as the complete opposite, and we're getting past the point, which is education. I think we should put education before military, your remarks centered around defense, and you don’t need that much military for defense.
On the point of Afghanistan, if it wasn't the Soviets "overrunning" the area, it would be us years later.
On Saddam, if he was the "shinning light" of the Middle East, it only proves my point. You definitely need some smarter people upstairs if they deem a known assassin and murderer the "shinning light". Also, did I ever mention the word conspiracy? You very good at over inflating remarks and putting words in my mouth.
Yes, it is easy to control the minds of 293 million people, tell anyone something from birth, or tell someone what they want to hear, and they'll believe it.
And lastly, about the products of your society, I was referring to OUR politicians.
We both want the same thing, which is a peaceful place to live. Only our methods are different, I want to try and prevent future problems, and you want to destroy them when they come along. I don’t know why, I just believe a brain can accomplish more than a gun. |
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:04 am |
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
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Actually, if you check out your history, you'll discover one country did once attack Canada, and they LOST that little war. Who were they? The USA of course!!
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:06 am |
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Aram
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Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Really? I've read alot of history and dont remember anything about that, must have been interesting. 
I've visited Canada before and it's amazing how much can change across a border. Everyone was kind, trusting, and helpful..............it was creepy. |
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:25 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
Whats with all the hostility, Llama? |
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:27 am |
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Gorath
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Joined: 03 Sep 2001
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Location: NRW, Germany |
Seems Llama missed a good opportunity to remain silent.
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Rordog
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Joined: 13 Feb 2004
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Location: kelowna |
I have always lived fairly close to the border of BC and Washington. As a devoted patriot of Canada I have just one thing to say... Bring it on!!!. No just kidding, just trying to lighten the mood of this post. I know that many canadians (though not all of them) view the US as sort of our bigger brother for lack of a better comparison. We have always know that we are safe because we do not pick fights and we have the US to help us if anything ever does happen. I am seeing some very one sided opinions being stated here and you have to realize that as a generalization practically everyone in North America is raised to belive certain virtues. In this regard it is no different in the Middle Eastern Countries that we have conflict with. They too are raised to believe in the values that that society beholds. They believe with all their hearts and souls that America is the enemy and that the attacks they make are actually right and virtuous. I am in no way trying to justify some of the horrible things that have occurred through out history and more recently. In NA we are constantly bombarded with what is basically propaganda. All of the information we recieve is very one sided to say the least. We assume that we never do anything wrong and that our "enemies" are wrong on all accounts. It is important to realize that over there they are exposed to information too, but that information is exactly opposite of what we recieve and portrays the good old US of A as the horrible enemy. I have always hoped that the part of the world that I live in is the good guys and I think we are, it is just that "how good?" is the question that needs to be addressed. I strongly believe that the ultimate truth lies somewhere inbetween, though hopefully we are mostly the good guys.
To take it back to the subject of education I hate to break it to you but if you feel like a number being proccessed through now then college is going to be very hard for you. Unless you are currently going to a huge school where no one knows anyone else, then entering an institute of higher eductation where classes are so large that your prof will never even meet you might be hard to handle. You may want to consider a smaller college where more one on one can be attained. The university I go to now has class sizes of about 30 and it is awesome because the prof knows everyone on an individual basis. College is great in the sense that you will get to pursue your interests, but it is very easy to drown there too. I strongly recommend a smaller post secondary institute because it drastically cuts down on feelings of remoteness.
As to why you have never learned about Canada kicking the crap out of the US back in the good old days is because Americans generally only learn history about how good their country is at everything. I could be wrong but I would not be suprised to find out that you have been taught that you guys won the Vietnam War.
This is just one person's opinion and I hope that you can find some value in it.
later, rordog 
P.S. best of luck and hang in there, life can be wonderful if you make it that way. Also try working out like a madman as a vent. Thrashing some weights around can help with a great deal of lifes ailments.
Later
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:25 am |
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Roqua
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Joined: 02 Sep 2003
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We attacked into Canada during the revolutionary war. The beat us back. Filthy English loving Canooks. We'll get you crackers yet!
As for education before military I am with you all the way. I say reinstate corpral punishment and show you damn kids some what for, and what really is smarts.
As for the sleep, try smoking some marijawana or getting really drunk like Korplem said. Its fun and puts hair on your chest. But remember: mixed drinks are for women.
If your parents frown upon that kind of activity I say run away to Amsterdam. You think lack of sleep makes you hallucinate, try the shrooms they sell there. Weed, shrooms, it's all legal brother. School will be just a bad memory. And the best part, you can window shop for women. Chances are you will be high and have some problems and then they will be mean and snappy to you and they won't give you your money back, but it is worth it to window shop for women. What a great invention.
But all that costs money so you will have to get a job, and probabably learn the local language. I never picked it up myself, I think it was called gibberish. And if you have to work you might as well make some money to buy more weed, shrooms, and women, Making good money means getting an education, which means college. But they actually have weed college in Amsterdam.
Oh man, if I could do it all over again I would go with that plan. Being a crackhead transvestite is a hard life, and the hemroids are killing me.
EDIT: to add some more advice. You need to relaxe. Throw a water balloon at someone and run. Go into a parking lot and urinate on the cardoor handles. I do that. There is a good chance every door handle I pee on is a person that cruises in the passing lane. Why the hell isn't that taught in school? Where is the "War on passing lane only used for speeders and passing"? War on illiteracy, huh. Illiterates never hurt anyone, thats just terrible. But seriously, what good is school if you're all stressed out? If school is going to drive you so crazy that you grow up to be an Adrian Barbobot with buzz-saw hands and laser-beam eyes, why bother? Quit school and join the teamsters union, you can drive longer and deliver stuff quicker with your uncanny non-sleeping superpower.
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:44 am |
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Roach
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Originally posted by corwin
Actually, if you check out your history, you'll discover one country did once attack Canada, and they LOST that little war. Who were they? The USA of course!!
Please correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t that the colonies and Great Briton v the French and American Indians? If I am remembering correctly then neither the USA or Canada existed yet.
For the record I hereby protest the turning of this thread toward international politics because the original topic is one close to my heart. If you wish to argue international politics please start another thread and keep such off-topic discussions out of this thread.
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When I hit middle school it felt like all the humanity was sucked out of me,
@Aram I understand completely, though for personal reasons I won’t go into much detail in an open thread. I wish I could give you an answer that would help you better deal with the school system, alas I never found that answer myself. All I can tell you is that getting a GED is the easy way out, I have a Texas GED, and as a fairly recent member/victim of the Texas school system I understand Bush’s “No Child Left Behind Act” very well as it is similar to the changes he made to the Texas school system when he was Governor. And I can agree with you that the NCLB Act is severely lacking. But I unfortunately must say that when you hit the job market many people will prejudge you if you have a GED rather than a High School diploma. I personally have had a number of job interviews completely shift gears after the interviewer learned I have a GED; interviews for jobs I did not get. The time I applied to clean cages at a pet hotel and couldn’t get hired, despite being willing to work any hours, because the owner had absolutely no respect for anyone with a GED was downright depressing. So I leave you with this, push yourself as hard as you can to finish public school, rely on medication if you must, but if one day you realize that you can not longer do it - no matter the cost - than you will not be alone in this, as the number of us who have been through the same thing is tragically high. |
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Sat Mar 13, 2004 8:04 am |
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
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Did you know that Canadians are responsible for the White House? You see in that aforementioned war, a group of Canadians (from Toronto I think) went on a retaliatory raid to Washington and set fire to what would become the White House. It didn't burn down, but was badly damaged and all they had available to cover up the burn marks, was white paint. Thus it became known as the White House and has been associated with the concept of a white wash ever since!! 
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Korplem
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 Roqua, you crack me up!
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