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| Who would win Mercs or Paladins |
| Merceneries |
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58% |
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| Paladins |
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Dart23
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 32
Location: Far away |
And Daron is in the city to help not to MURDER the people he came to help. And he said the he was there to help the citizens, the poor, And the warriors of Innos. Paladins fight in the name of INNOS. Mecenaries fight in the name of LUST. Daron is a Fire magician and he works according to the will of INNOS not for the will of MONEY. And Vatras is taking donations to help the people and if those mercs would start killing everybode i don't think that he would just go to have some free beer.
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Mercenary
Helpful Friend
Joined: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 2874
Location: Chromanin |
quote:
Originally posted by Dart23
Take one hundred of your best warriors and sail for Khorinis
That's strange. Because they are so easy too kill in later chapters. If that are king's best warriors then there is no doubt the king will lose the war.
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Originally posted by Dart23
And Vatras is taking donations to help the people and if those mercs would start killing everybode i don't think that he would just go to have some free beer.
Vatras would help them yes that could be the problem. But as you see he never uses killer runes only the runes that make people uncouncios (sp?).
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Originally posted by Dart23
Xardas wouldn't join the fight and if he did he would fight WITH the PALADINS.
At start maybe but as soon someone would show him the Eye of Innos he would join the other side. He doesn't need the paladins he needs something of theirs.
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Originally posted by Dart23
And why would the merchants fight against their FRIENDS
Why do people kill people ? Lust, vengeance, whatever. Not everybody likes everybody.
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Originally posted by Dart23
Do you think that after they betrayed their friends and killed all the militia and the fighting back citizens they could watch how the women cry for their murdered husbands their friends.
After that Mercs would be in control. They would have to watch or they would be killed or thrown out of the city. Mercs are like that. 
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Originally posted by Dart23
Daron is a Fire magician and he works according to the will of INNOS not for the will of MONEY.
IMO there are a million novices there who obey the rules of the monastery more then this guy. This guy is so corrupted that he would kill his own mother too get some loot. (that can be seen at donations for Innos. If you have gold you must give ALOT of your hard earned cash while Vatras doesn't want a peny to bless you.)
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Originally posted by Dart23
Mecenaries fight in the name of LUST
They woudn't become like this if the allmighty king woudn't send them to barrier where they became cut-throats. /not all but Lee and his close ones.
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Besides the city would start the war not the mercs. Killing Bennet which is innocent would be a drop of water too much over the ledge for Lee just too stand there. If he had too he would go too the city alone to slaughter the "exhausted warrior". And that's what the true hero would do. And too know Lee probably had higher rank then Hagen. Too think again even if they would kill mercs they would never get back too mainland. If we are even more picky then we could wait that Hagen goes assisting the Valley of Mines survivors and then Lee would attack and so. Goodbye the city. Anything else ?
(I am not intending to flame you its just that I have a backbone and I stand behind my opinion strongly. I hope you see it that way too.)
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 5:57 pm |
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Beliarsclew
Victim Of The Greed
Joined: 15 May 2004
Posts: 581
Location: Jordan-Middle East |
I think that the paladins will win.
It is easy for them I mean only the paladins can win (without the magicians and the militia men the reasons are:
1.the paladins have runes which is can be used with a little mana and have a big damage.
2.the most of them from the high level character(high strength and high dexterity and so.
3.there armor protect them much more than the mercenaries armor protect the mercy*s. |
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:37 pm |
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NeoCodex
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 30 May 2004
Posts: 187
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We know all that allready, but the funny fact is that runes have effect only on evil creatures, not humans.. |
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:55 pm |
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Dart23
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 32
Location: Far away |
I have some backbone too. Let's see if you can counter this.
There is major factor that says that the mercs would lose. "Second highst man". The Paladins have "Ranks" the mercs don't. So if Lee gets killed there goes the alliance of the mercs or do you think that Sylvio would take command? I don't think that others would agree. But if Lord Hagen gets killed Lord Andre will simply take command. And Daron. He probably was sent to the city because he's good giving reason for people to donate for innos. And Vatras. He cares dearly of the people and if somebody would slaughter his people I think he would use some stronger magic. And the Paladins are stronger then the mercs. The avarage STR for the mercs is 67 and for the paladins 86. The avarage one handed fighting skill for mercs is 44 and for the Paladins 61. And Yes i counted all of them and divided all of them. Plus the armors. The Knights armor is 1/3 better then the best armor of the mercs and there aren't many Heavy mecenaries, but there are alot of knights.
Then there is the moral. The Paladins fight and die for the king and for Innos and they know this and they are prepared to die in the name of Innos. The mercs fight only for themselves and for money. They aren't prepared to die for any cause.
Let's see whose backbone breaks first. Mercenary. And no i'm not flaming you, but i'm a man who stands before his words. The Paladins would win!!!
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Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:39 pm |
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NeoCodex
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 30 May 2004
Posts: 187
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True. I can only agree with this. But how did you find out the information about pal/merc skills?  |
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:28 am |
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Dart23
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 32
Location: Far away |
I used Marvin mode and then i used "O" to take over their bobies and then I checked their stats Yes I checked every merc, pal, militia men. Theni added them together and divided. That was a though job.
Sorry if you don't understand my message. I forgot what that one word was.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:21 am |
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Beliarsclew
Victim Of The Greed
Joined: 15 May 2004
Posts: 581
Location: Jordan-Middle East |
quote:
Originally posted by NeoCodex
how did you find out the information about pal/merc skills?
Very simple he possessed the mercenaries and the paladins and saw their skills then he combined the mercy*s skills with the pala*s skills and he found out that the pala*s armor better than the mercy*s armor...that's means
The paladins will win. |
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:28 am |
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Mercenary
Helpful Friend
Joined: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 2874
Location: Chromanin |
quote:
Originally posted by Dart23
I have some backbone too.
I bealive you. 
quote:
Originally posted by Dart23
There is major factor that says that the mercs would lose. "Second highst man". The Paladins have "Ranks" the mercs don't.
Oh but they most certainly do. Everyone knows that Lee is the first in command. He has a circle of followers which could take over if he dies. Torlof / Cord. Both experienced and strong. Not to mention Gorn who would sacrifice his live like a true paladin.
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Originally posted by Dart23
So if Lee gets killed there goes the alliance of the mercs or do you think that Sylvio would take command?
No he woudn't. What would Slyvio do. Mercs have mind of their own. That can be clearly seen later at dragon hunters.
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Originally posted by Dart23
And Daron. He probably was sent to the city because he's good giving reason for people to donate for innos.
Yea sure. But woudn't then be donation same for all people ? Think about it ? Where does extra gold go ? 
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Originally posted by Dart23
And Vatras. He cares dearly of the people and if somebody would slaughter his people I think he would use some stronger magic.
I agree. There is no doubt about it. But what's when Vatras is dead ?
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Originally posted by Dart23
And the Paladins are stronger then the mercs. The avarage STR for the mercs is 67 and for the paladins 86. The avarage one handed fighting skill for mercs is 44 and for the Paladins 61. And Yes i counted all of them and divided all of them. Plus the armors. The Knights armor is 1/3 better then the best armor of the mercs and there aren't many Heavy mecenaries, but there are alot of knights.
Numbers don't really matter when fighting in such huge numbers. There is only hit / miss now. Besides I bealive Lee would gather some reinforcements before heading too city. Bandits, Thieves, Tramps ... anyone. Bandits killed alot of militia groups already so there would be no problem killing few more. And to think. They have Lares in the city. He is probably a citizen because he has the clothes of a citizen. So in that case he can access the upper quarter. So he could sneak in at night and kill Hagen in sleep. (This is a possibilty. You can't deny that  )
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Originally posted by Dart23
Then there is the moral. The Paladins fight and die for the king and for Innos and they know this and they are prepared to die in the name of Innos. The mercs fight only for themselves and for money. They aren't prepared to die for any cause.
I don't think so. Gorn, Torlof and some other mercs are more loyal to Lee or a friend that some paladins are too king and Innos. But it is true that paladins are more numbered here. Not all mercs are greedy.
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Originally posted by Dart23
Let's see whose backbone breaks first. Mercenary. And no i'm not flaming you, but i'm a man who stands before his words. The Paladins would win!!!
No one's backbone will break. Maybe it will just bend a bit. I guarantee that.
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I also bealive that there could be few farmers who would use the chance of the war against the city and join the mercs. That way they could get their freedom back and the city would have to stop extorting them. And by the way you haven't answered my question yet. What would happen if almost all paladins would go to the valley to get the ore ? What would happen if Lee would strike then ?
So I still think Mercs will win.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:30 pm |
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Dart23
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 32
Location: Far away |
So you still aren't going to give up. Okay.
If Vatras and Daron died I'm 110% sure that Pyrokar would send atleast few mages to the city. and The paladins are much more loyal then the mercs. If you ever Played as a Novice you would know that Sergio was very happy only because i Prayed for his friends and gave money or teached me. The mercs couldn't care less. And you forgot something. Lares can't get to see Lord Hagen. He isn't a militia man nor a mage. Plus he isn't a citizen if he was he would have a job with one of the masters. And If the mercs attacted when Lord Hagen was in the valley of mines Lee wouldn't be there. He went to the dragon island with the hero. And even if he didn't some of the strongest mercs like Sylvio went to the valley of mines in chapter 3. Plus how do you think that the mercs could get to the city? At the first sight of the attackting mercs the guards would lock the city gate and get their bows from Bosper or from the towers. Plus the paladins have gunpowder and oil.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 2:53 pm |
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Sem
Solid as a Rock
Joined: 01 Mar 2004
Posts: 3386
Location: at the Dot |
quote:
Originally posted by Dart23
...get their bows from Bosper or from the towers.
And the mercenaries would make some siege weaponry from the trees around Onar's farm and launch burning rocks into the city with trebuchets.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:00 pm |
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Mercenary
Helpful Friend
Joined: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 2874
Location: Chromanin |
quote:
Originally posted by Dart23
So you still aren't going to give up. Okay.
If case you haven't noticed i am not giving up.
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Originally posted by Dart23
If Vatras and Daron died I'm 110% sure that Pyrokar would send atleast few mages to the city.
Yea sure he would. But what would few mages do against at least 20 mercs who would be in at that time. (Pyrokar woudn't send anyone unless Mercs would take the city. Because information woudn't get to him.)
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Originally posted by Dart23
If you ever Played as a Novice you would know that Sergio was very happy only because i Prayed for his friends and gave money or teached me.
Happy fellow. You don't need to pray at Mercs and they will teach you. Just as long you are one of them.
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Originally posted by Dart23
And you forgot something. Lares can't get to see Lord Hagen. He isn't a militia man nor a mage.
A litlle bit of sneaking does the trick.
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Originally posted by Dart23
Plus he isn't a citizen if he was he would have a job with one of the masters.
So you are saying all the people in town has job at one of the masters ? Rich guys those masters.
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Originally posted by Dart23
And If the mercs attacted when Lord Hagen was in the valley of mines Lee wouldn't be there. He went to the dragon island with the hero.
Nobody is talking about hero here. We are talking about Mercs and Paladins. Their fight here on RPGDot has nothing do with the story.
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Originally posted by Dart23
And even if he didn't some of the strongest mercs like Sylvio went to the valley of mines in chapter 3.
Same us up. But in that case you can say all the living Dragon Hunters returning from VoM. Well then Merc's would have even easier job taking over the city. Everyone would bow to Dragon Hunters because they killed the dragons. (Remeber nobody is talking about the game story.)
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Originally posted by Dart23
Plus how do you think that the mercs could get to the city? At the first sight of the attackting mercs the guards would lock the city gate and get their bows from Bosper or from the towers.
Sem told you nicely. Mercs could get in. Those two guards at the city gate would be killed. And before the two guards that have the keys to the towers would close the gate Mercs would already be drinking beer in Coragon's Pub.
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Originally posted by Dart23
Plus the paladins have gunpowder and oil.
So ? Would paladins throw gunpowder with their hands ? What would they do with oil ?
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I won't give up because im 100 % sure that Mercs would kill the paladins and if dragon hunters, bandits, tramps, thieves, farmers and all city haters would help then i won't even mention how big would the victory be.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:22 pm |
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Wooper
City Guard
Joined: 04 Aug 2003
Posts: 128
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After reading everything... I go on Mercenary's side. Mercenaries win every time 
And dart... CENSOR.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:44 pm |
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Graham 2
High Emperor
Joined: 29 Jan 2004
Posts: 795
Location: Preston/England |
Mercenarys win because I said so. What more of a reason do you want?
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 6:16 pm |
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Dart23
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 17 Apr 2004
Posts: 32
Location: Far away |
I can't belive you.
First: You CAN'T sneak to Lord Hagens office.
Second: In open fight in a open field Paladins and Militia would win. Atleast by 99% chance.
Third:True most of the citizens aren't working for the masters, but since the Paladins came thats the only way of geting a citizenship
Fourth: Mika the guard in front of the second get would see from 150 metres if the mercs would attack and then he could warn the others to close the gate and if the mercs would shoot him the guards would close the gates.
Fifth: You can't kill dragons without the eye Innos.
Sixth: The mercs are evil COMPARED to the paladins. Remember i said COMPARED.
Seventh: How excatlly do you think that the mercs would win if they attackted the city before Lord Hagen left?
Eight: You are unbeliavable. You are the first person who doesn't give up "arguing" with me!!! You worst then me. And i'm not insulting you anyway and i think that it's good that people hold on their opinions, but sometimes you must bend a little.
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Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:25 pm |
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