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LordHagen
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Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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well....in warcraft 3, developpers managed to insert planes, guns and even mortars...I know warcraft is warcraft but if they can go so far without being a humoristic game, piranha bytes could do something.....And Myrthana's story is Myrthana story. I truly believe gothic feeling won't get hurt if in gothic3 we have the choice to specialize in bow, crossbow or gun. Gun being the more powerful but slower weapon, and the bow the faster and less powerful 
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Bartacus
Il Buono
Joined: 24 May 2003
Posts: 4706
Location: Belgium Flemmish part |
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Originally posted by Stiler
They had guns in circa late 1300's europe....
However you must remember, early firearms were crap, they couldn't aim at a distance worth a damn, and they took forever to get ready for a shot.
And why would it make it american?...Indians didn't have guns until the europeans and other people brought them over.
late 1300's -> 15th century begins at 1401 and ends at 1500. Still says that a canon is approximately 300y older then a gun. and it was quite some time that the gun was one shot only. I think it just became more common and that the gun has the distance to conquer with it as an advantage.
That second remark is a bit weird about Paul99's post: He said american game, not game with americans in it. Now a bit generalization: If you listen to an American tourist in Europe, you will find out pretty quickly that he hasn't got any clue about history.
Therefore you can see still sometimes lots of mistakes in movies or games that are being made by uninformed Americans.
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Stiler
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Joined: 23 Mar 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Bartacus
That second remark is a bit weird about Paul99's post: He said american game, not game with americans in it. Now a bit generalization: If you listen to an American tourist in Europe, you will find out pretty quickly that he hasn't got any clue about history.
Therefore you can see still sometimes lots of mistakes in movies or games that are being made by uninformed Americans.
So "american's" are the only people that can be "uniformed" or "no clue about histories?"
It's always fun since i'm an american that somehow magically becuase some american's are seen as "dumb" that means every american has to be. |
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Paul999999
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Joined: 08 Oct 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Bartacus
quote:
Originally posted by Stiler
They had guns in circa late 1300's europe....
However you must remember, early firearms were crap, they couldn't aim at a distance worth a damn, and they took forever to get ready for a shot.
And why would it make it american?...Indians didn't have guns until the europeans and other people brought them over.
late 1300's -> 15th century begins at 1401 and ends at 1500. Still says that a canon is approximately 300y older then a gun. and it was quite some time that the gun was one shot only. I think it just became more common and that the gun has the distance to conquer with it as an advantage.
That second remark is a bit weird about Paul99's post: He said american game, not game with americans in it. Now a bit generalization: If you listen to an American tourist in Europe, you will find out pretty quickly that he hasn't got any clue about history.
Therefore you can see still sometimes lots of mistakes in movies or games that are being made by uninformed Americans.
american game devs = mindless shitty shooters.
do some research and you'll see what i mean |
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Sat Aug 13, 2005 6:47 pm |
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Sem
Solid as a Rock
Joined: 01 Mar 2004
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Originally posted by Stiler
It's always fun since i'm an american that somehow magically becuase some american's are seen as "dumb" that means every american has to be.
Yes, and Dutch people are greedy, etc. You just have to live with it.
(Indeed, I'm Dutch, but not greedy, I'm just poor  )
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Dogar
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Joined: 05 Sep 2003
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Originally posted by Paul999999
american game devs = mindless shitty shooters.
Perhaps, but games like Thief, Deus Ex, Star Control 2, Planescape Torment and System Shock 2 more than make up for the rest of the drivel. I'd also bet that the US produces more intelligent and unique games than any other country, despite the dross.
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do some research and you'll see what i mean
Not sure that I do.  |
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Bartacus
Il Buono
Joined: 24 May 2003
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Location: Belgium Flemmish part |
Oh it's so funny that all of you did read the words: "Now a bit of generalisation" in my previous post.
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Sem
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Do you know people that actually read posts??!! 
Hmm, what was it, they always say about people from Belgium...
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Bartacus
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That they are much smarter then Sem's comming from Holland! (  )
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Jazzy_s
Keeper of the Gates
Joined: 26 Jan 2005
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Hey what is this some kind of nationalism, it's not very nice I can tell you that for sure, and it's not very funny if it's a joke.  |
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Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:21 pm |
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Talox
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 03 Aug 2005
Posts: 29
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Nah i'm quite fine with the way us Australians are portrayed..... Okay I lied 
Back to the subject, I think guns could be good. (provided they are implemented in the right way.)
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Bartacus
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@Jazzy_s: We know each other from the usergroups and for us two, it's a joke.
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Jazzy_s
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Ok sorry it probably wasn't any of my business anyway.
But you know not only you are reading this posts. |
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Whailor
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Joined: 07 Jul 2003
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First, on the topic, I personally think that the cannons in Gothic games should be useable. And no, just some cannons do not change the course of the war. Many here did remember the historical fact that the guns of the old time were one shot - reload - one shot - reload, so the best shooter was actually the soldier who could produce more shots per minute. Best of them managed to pull 4-6 shots per minute.. But, what many forgot here, as I mentioned, is the fact that the old cannons were just the SAME stuff. You shot it once, and then you had to reload it. And reloading a cannon was a difficult and a hard and long job, as you had to pull it back, then stuff it full of powder and ammunition, had to stuck it all deep and tight into the barrel, then push the cannon back into position, then aim and then shoot. So, basically, unless the fort first wall wasn't literally littered with loaded cannons, there would be no way to stop the orc army from advancing and getting close. So yeah, the cannons would be a nice bonus, but not enough to turn the tide of war. And yes, the cannon as a weapon is older then the rifles and muskets and so on, so there are no problems with Gothic having cannons in it.
Now, as for games, or american games, then I personally like what they make. There's cartloads of superb games from US and game developers in US, more then in EU. More then in EU because US is a big country with a big market and it is easier to operate in such situation, while in EU there are many different countries with different languages, laws and so on. I am not a fan of FPS games myself, though I have played quite few of them at least once, and some of them over the network with some friends. So some people here should drop the "stupid sucky american FPS game" talk, if these games were such sucky and so stupid, how come they return such great money? Beacuse they're not bad, at least not all of them. Sure there are developers in US who's products suck, just like in EU. It's not related to the country, it's simply related to poor - or out of date - product design.
As for history, then yes, it may be that most of US citizens are perhaps not that aware of the real historical facts about Europe, however it doesn't mean that they're stupid. Not all people have dealings in their life on international levels and most of them don't even leave US in their lifetime, so obviously they really don't need to all those facts. May seem weird to you, but look it at other side - how well do you know american history? Yes, sure, it's not a very long history since US as such is a very young country with short history, but it still has been quite tense history and with a lot of events, how well do you know it? I can bet that not well at all. It doesn't mean that you're stupid, it simply means that you don't need this information and thus never really learnt it.
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Sem
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We should make a seperate topic about nationalism. It's great to read everybody's reaction.
@Bart: All those things you say about me hurt me a lot.  or should it be 
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