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| Do you accept same-sex marriage? |
| Anti - homosexual; sinful, unmoral & unnatural |
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27% |
[ 16 ] |
| ambivalent - undecided, unsure, mixed feelings |
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5% |
[ 3 ] |
| laissez-faire - noninterventionist, tolerant |
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27% |
[ 16 ] |
| Pro - deeply believe in freedom & equality |
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39% |
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jmurdock
Old Fogey
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
Location: the heart of acadiana they like to call it |
@Elverath
I have to disagree with you there. The republicans (conservatives) want us to have the freedoms this country was founded on. The freedom to practice our own religions (or lack thereof). If your marriage is sanctified by your God then no problem except where it conflicts with society. Since this country was founded on judeo-christian values which the forefathers hoped would remain in effect, then a gay or lesbian marriage conflicts with society. There are ways to change the constitution, but a vast majority have to be in favor of it.
The democrats (liberals) want to take away our freedoms and make this a socialist country. They want everyone dependant on them. That's why they push for national healthcare and such. One of the ways they try to do this is to promote the idea that religion is not neccesary. They come up with politically correct speech and so on. They don't care who marries who as long as they are in power. If this is a socialist state then the constitution goes out the window and the people in power can do whatever they please. They would like to see no religion in this country.
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RPG Frog
Blade Runner
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Posts: 748
Location: the Matrix |
These debates are a riot. It's always blamed on Christianity or Law or Polotics. How about something a little simpler than the Illuminati or the Nazis?
A guy has sex with a cat...no offspring
A girl has sex with a dog...no offispring
2 guys do what they call sex...no offspring
2 girls do what they call sex...no offspring
What other species of animals do this? Are their such a thing as gay dogs? Gay cats? Please enlighten me(scriptures from any religion or web-sites). I love being entertained.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:28 am |
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Elverath
Village Leader
Joined: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 80
Location: USA |
I could get into this but Im not going to. Ive pursued this line of conversation far too many times in my forum career. Im gonna bow out. Argue amongst yourselves.
Ill just leave you with this. You should'nt give a damn about what this country was founded on. What you should care about is whats right. |
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:31 am |
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jmurdock
Old Fogey
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
Location: the heart of acadiana they like to call it |
I am
**heavy sigh**
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:36 am |
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Roqua
High Emperor
Joined: 02 Sep 2003
Posts: 897
Location: rump |
quote:
Originally posted by kengo2019
These debates are a riot. It's always blamed on Christianity or Law or Polotics. How about something a little simpler than the Illuminati or the Nazis?
A guy has sex with a cat...no offspring
A girl has sex with a dog...no offispring
2 guys do what they call sex...no offspring
2 girls do what they call sex...no offspring
What other species of animals do this? Are their such a thing as gay dogs? Gay cats? Please enlighten me(scriptures from any religion or web-sites). I love being entertained.
Man has has sex with a woman...no offsprong because he wrapped up or she is on the pill. What other animals do this?
My mother had sex with a gorilla and had me so that shoots your theory out the window.
I edited this because it sounds like an angry post. There is no way I can think of to make it sound less angry without deleting anything so I'll just tell you that it is not meant to sound angry.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 5:38 am |
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Remus
Overgrown Cat
Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 1657
Location: Fish bowl |
Now, now, everybody, settle down..  We surely want to hear other people opinions and some informative exchanges, enlightening discussion, instead of pulling out big guns and shooting at each other?
While i agreed we should tolerate and permissive toward homosexuality, and allow some kind of legal marriage binding for them, there are some difficult problems that we need to handle (maybe learn from countries that already allow the same-sex marriage for years):
-For example as another poster previously mentioned (jmurdock), how same-sex parents handle parenting since the real mother or female didn't exist?
-how a same-sex parents protect their adopted children from the scorn of their peers and don't suffer psychologically?
-How far the same-sex marriage law should be following the traditional marriage law? Or it should be something rather different (inheritance?, healthcare?, child abuse?, child care responsibility when the same-sex partner divorced?).
-This is more like a question: How and why homosexual relationships seem to be mirroring (coincidentally?) the original relationships between male and female individuals? (love, sex, marriage, family). It seem ironic that although same-sex individuals dislike opposite sex, they end up borrowing the culture or relatioships that exist between heteros or male-female individuals. However, probably no one can says the relatioships should be monopolized by one group and not the others. Still, while homosexuals can have love (love are illogical anyway), marriage (just some paperworks  ), or family (adopting & rising a child), but how about sex? i already can imaging some Ku Klux Klan members holding a placard, with "God hates sodomites!!!" written on it.
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BTW,
Interesting findings by Pew Research Center for the People and the Press (late last year) regarding homosexuality:
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Younger adults are evenly split over gay marriage, but older Americans are opposed by a four-to-one margin, according to a poll examining attitudes about homosexuality... While younger people in general were more apt to approve of gay marriage -- those between ages 20 and 30 were evenly split -- the poll found that among those in their 60s and 70s, opponents outnumbered supporters by a factor of four.
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Political attitudes sharply affected beliefs about gay marriage. Four in five of those who say they would vote to re-elect President George W. Bush oppose gay marriage, while those who prefer that a Democrat win the presidency are evenly split on the question.
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The survey reinforced the finding that religious attitudes sharply affect feelings on gays and homosexual behavior. Those with a high level of religious commitment oppose gay marriage by 80 percent to 12 percent.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:07 am |
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Winter_Bloom
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 09 Jan 2004
Posts: 25
Location: That's a good question |
*sighs* I'd been reading this thread and I do have to say one thing. Try to keep the discussion polite if you've got widely differing viewpoints, and if you can't say anything nicely, then don't say anything at all.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:22 am |
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
Posts: 8376
Location: Australia |
Haven't laughed so much in ages. This has been a totally hillarious topic. Others have said what I would, thanks Charlie, so I won't bother, but keep it up, I enjoy an entertaining thread. 
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:59 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
quote:
Originally posted by Roqua
Not to offend anyone but I think people get church and state mixed up. By being an American and paying taxes and choosing to stay here you already support many freedoms that go against God and the Christianity.
Well you brought up a position that is the most unoriginal position in the world because its typical of "macho men" like you. I used to drink whiskey straight too, go figure, puts hair on the chest and stupidity in the eyes. But im not gonna back down like the rest of cowardly so-called Christianity and let it slide by me without defending God.
I like this government. Im grateful for it. But i love God more, and i am more grateful to God than i am to the US government. God is infinitely greater than the US government. i dont swear on the constitution, i obey Jesus Christ and swear not at all, because i cant change the color of the hair on my head by mere thought like God can. The US government does not control the universe, and it did not create the universe in the first place, like God and his family did. This society is going more and more against God, and that just testifies to me that these are the Last Days of this earth, the END is coming, and along with all evil people, all the gays in this world are going straight to purgatory for a long wait until the last resurrection.
Anyone who thinks the constitution of a wealthy country is greater than the laws decreed by God and his family is a fool and typical of the common "Homer Simpson" syndrome that pervades males of this evil culture.
I dont respect evil cultures and their excuses. This whole culture is gay. pffft.
and i think gays have the biggest mouths of all minority groups. they just wont shut the hell up. well, i say, SHUT THE HELL UP YOU GAYRODS. |
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:32 am |
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Ammon777
Warrior for Heaven
Joined: 20 Apr 2002
Posts: 2011
Location: United States |
LOL  |
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:34 am |
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jmurdock
Old Fogey
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
Location: the heart of acadiana they like to call it |
@Corwin
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:45 am |
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Elverath
Village Leader
Joined: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 80
Location: USA |
Ive come to realize that all christians sound like raving fanatical psychopaths when they talk about their god. Especially you Ammon.
P.S. there is no god.
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:46 am |
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jmurdock
Old Fogey
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
Posts: 1285
Location: the heart of acadiana they like to call it |
@Elvarath
By stating you are agnostic, in another thread, you are acknowledging a higher power. You just don't specify your belief system.
You should change your post to reflect atheist
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:47 am |
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Hexy
High Emperor
Joined: 28 Jun 2002
Posts: 621
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I think it would be funnier if SOME people start offering some substance, instead of just posting "rofl this si vary great!" posts.
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BTW,
Interesting findings by Pew Research Center for the People and the Press (late last year) regarding homosexuality:
Really. Do those quotes surprise you at all? Nothing different from what you would see about abortion, contraceptives etc.
Besides, about this whole "borrowing" from normal relationships. I think there is most likely going to be someone who's more dominant than the other, so what's your point?
As for same sex handling parenting... Uh... HAVE you EVER heard of single fathers raising their children? How is this much worse? Except that it might screw with the child's look at sexual relationships, but at the same time making it more tolerant?
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If your marriage is sanctified by your God then no problem except where it conflicts with society. Since this country was founded on judeo-christian values which the forefathers hoped would remain in effect, then a gay or lesbian marriage conflicts with society. There are ways to change the constitution, but a vast majority have to be in favor of it.
The democrats (liberals) want to take away our freedoms and make this a socialist country. They want everyone dependant on them. That's why they push for national healthcare and such. One of the ways they try to do this is to promote the idea that religion is not neccesary. They come up with politically correct speech and so on. They don't care who marries who as long as they are in power. If this is a socialist state then the constitution goes out the window and the people in power can do whatever they please. They would like to see no religion in this country.
How is being forced to things according to the religious laws of society more freedom-ish than giving medical aid to those who really need it even if they can't pay up immediately? How is the inability to evolve laws and such as society evolves equal to freedom?
Those in power can do as they please in socialist states? Care to prove it? With socialistic countries today? Kind of like the Bush administration? oh wait... they're not democrats... Hello, patriot act!
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Mon Feb 16, 2004 8:49 am |
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Elverath
Village Leader
Joined: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 80
Location: USA |
Fine whatever Im an atheist then cuz when you boil right down to it god is just another fairytale used to keep the kiddies in line.
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