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Remus
Overgrown Cat
Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 1657
Location: Fish bowl |
Cat Stevens - a suspected terrorist |
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Remember Cat Stevens, the popular singer in 1960s-70s? (among his songs - Moonshadow, Father and Son, and Wild World).
quote:
Ex-Pop Star Cat Stevens Deported from U.S.
Wed Sep 22, 2004 07:06 PM ET
By Sue Pleming
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former pop singer Cat Stevens, a Muslim, was deported to Britain on Wednesday after U.S. officials said his activities could be "linked to terrorism" and his name was put on a U.S. no-fly list.
Arab-Americans and Muslims in Britain voiced outrage over the treatment of Stevens, who changed his name to Yusuf Islam when he shelved his singing and songwriting career and became a Muslim almost three decades ago.
He was seen being escorted by U.S. security officials onto a United Airlines flight at Dulles International Airport bound for London's Heathrow Airport on Wednesday evening.
Homeland Security spokesman Brian Doyle said Islam's Washington D.C.-bound plane was diverted on Tuesday to Bangor, Maine, after his name turned up on U.S. lists of suspected terrorists. He was questioned by officials and then taken to Boston to catch a connecting flight in Washington for London.
"Why is he on the watch lists? Because of his activities that could be potentially linked to terrorism. The intelligence community has come into possession of additional information that further raises our concern," Doyle said.
A law enforcement official who asked not to be identified said the United States had information that Islam, who visited the United States in May, had donated money to the militant Islamic group Hamas.
Islam was denied entry to Israel in 2000 after the authorities there accused him of supporting Hamas. The former pop star denied the charges and said his charitable donations were for humanitarian causes.
Among the charities he has supported are children affected by the wars in Bosnia and in Iraq as well as victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks against America, which he condemned.
BRITISH CONCERN
A Homeland Security official said United Airlines employees missed Islam's name on the "watch lists" in Britain and that the plane was in flight when officials found a match from the advanced passenger information sent by the airline.
United Airlines spokesman Jeff Green said airline staff in London had cross-checked all the information on Islam and found nothing to stop him getting on the U.S.-bound flight.
"All I can say is that we followed all of our procedures and we came up with nothing. To suggest that the blame lies on a United employee is incorrect and unfair," said Green.
A leading Arab-American group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), sent letters to President Bush and Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge asking them to explain why Islam was barred from entering the United States.
"Yusuf Islam is perhaps one of the most widely known and respected personalities in the Muslim world. He has a long history of promoting peace and reconciliation and condemning terrorism," said Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR.
Islam was the second high-profile Muslim in recent months to be barred entry to the United States. Swiss-based Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan was prevented from taking up a lecturing post at Notre Dame University in Indiana in August after the U.S. authorities revoked his visa with no explanation.
CAIR said treating mainstream and moderate Muslims as terrorists sent the wrong message. "This does not help the war on terrorism, it just makes it harder," Awad told a news conference.
The incident prompted British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw to raise the issue in person with Secretary of State Colin Powell at the United Nations in New York.
"The foreign secretary raised the Cat Stevens incident with Colin Powell and expressed concern that this action should not have been taken," a British Foreign Office spokeswoman told Reuters in London.
Muslim groups in Britain also decried the deportation of Islam, who heads a trust that oversees Muslim schools in the country.
"This incident comes only to confirm the farcical and ultimately draconian standards and practices exercised by U.S. immigration authorities," said Anas Altikriti, a spokesman for the Muslim Association of Britain.
Born Steven Demeter Georgiou in July 1947 to a Swedish mother and a Greek Cypriot father, he changed his name to Cat Stevens when he entered the music world. He had a string of hits in the early 1970s including "Peace Train," "Moonshadow," "Morning has Broken" and "Wild World" before converting to Islam in 1977. (Additional reporting by Deborah Charles)
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=peopleNews&storyID=6309756
His biodata:
http://www.yusufislam.org.uk/ _________________
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Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:12 am |
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Conan The Librarian
City Guard
Joined: 27 May 2004
Posts: 144
Location: Merry Olde England |
It is a sad world we live in, who is terrorising who? _________________ The optimist sees the doughnut.
But the pessimist sees the hole. |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:24 am |
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erik
High Emperor
Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Posts: 477
Location: The Netherlands |
I don't understand this attitude of the Americans. The fact that he is interested in the islam doesn't make him an terrorist. |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:50 am |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
I am a muslim, i think that most people in America thinks about a muslem as a terorist, why??? _________________
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Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:20 pm |
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EverythingXen
Arch-villain
Joined: 01 Feb 2002
Posts: 4342
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For the same reasons this 'most' (probably not most... probably just a very vocal minority) think black people are criminals, hispanic people are gang members, and people who live in trailer parks are stupid and poor.
Because some muslims ARE terrorists, some black people ARE criminals, some hispanics ARE gang members, and some trailer park dwelling people ARE white trash.
Stereotypes are dangerous because they're infectious... and they're infectious because there is USUALLY an element of truth behind them. Are all muslims terrorists? Of course not. Islam is an ancient and noble religion worthy of respect.
It has to do with the ideals of safety, I think. People fear the unknown so they seek to quantify it. I believe that's the heart of stereotyping in the first place. If you meet someone you want to place them in a category so they're no longer unknown. Paranoia was one of the strongest survival traits early primates had... believe it or not it's probably more comforting to think of an entire race as criminals/terrorists/stupid/nerdy/whatever than to not have anything to think of them at all.
Why do you think aliens are so terrifying an idea to some people? You don't know what to suspect... will they befriend you and give you great technology? Will they enslave your species? Will they destroy the world to make way for a hyperspace overpass?
You just don't know.
So ultimately it's not that the average person believes that all muslims are terrorists, deep down inside... it's just assuming that all are so you can defend yourself against the few who are is more comfortable.
That's humanity for you.
Just look around at new stereotypes that are forming... like Catholic priests. Most definitely not all priests are child molesters ... but enough are beginning to be revealed that people are beginning to categorize. If that catagorization becomes popular thought nobody will trust a priest alone with a child ever again.
How many decades has it taken for people to stop believing that all Germans supported the Nazis? KNow what? Watch late night talk show hosts do german impressions doing nonsensical hard consonanted 'words' and acting like Hitler and watch the audience laugh and you'll discover the truth of how long a stereotype can endure without its foundation. _________________ Estuans interius, Ira vehementi
"The old world dies and with it the old ways. We will rebuild it as it should be, MUST be... Immortal!"
=Member of the Nonflamers Guild=
=Worshipper of the Written Word=
Last edited by EverythingXen on Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:58 pm; edited 1 time in total |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:51 pm |
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dteowner
Shoegazer
Joined: 21 Mar 2002
Posts: 7570
Location: Third Hero of Erathia |
Cat's made some stupid comments in the past supporting some terrorist actions. Still, putting him on the list seems childish.
Xen's point on stereotypes is dead-on. _________________ =Proud Member of the Non-Flamers Guild=
=Benevolent Dictator, X2/X3 and Morrowind/Oblivion Forums=
Sorry. No pearls of wisdom in this oyster.
RIP Red Wings How 'Bout Dem Cowboys! |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:58 pm |
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Chekote
Where’s my Banana?!?!
Joined: 08 Mar 2002
Posts: 1540
Location: Dont know, looks kind of green |
This makes me sad...
It all just seems so hopeless _________________ IMHO my opinion is humble |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:14 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
quote: Originally posted by EXen
For the same reasons this 'most' (probably not most... probably just a very vocal minority) think black people are criminals, hispanic people are gang members, and people who live in trailer parks are stupid and poor, because some black people ARE criminals, some hispanics ARE gang members, and some trailer park dwelling people ARE white trash.
I think every nation has these things too, everynation has it's own gang members, criminals and white trash.
quote: Originally posted by EXen
Some muslims ARE terrorists.
Are you talking about Bin Ladin, you better think why he made what he made, ahh, i remembered, cuz USA was so greatfull with Israel, right?? For a degree that it always accepted their rules(some not, but aren't big rules)at the Security council unlike the offered rules that is with Palestine, the home of a lot of sacred places of muslims, i think all what Bin Ladin wanted is to spread Islam, but America stopped him, so what heppened happened, of course we felt sad for the american people, as i know, it doesn't have anything with what heppened, it was the goverment fault.
quote: Originally posted by EXen
How many decades has it taken for people to stop believing that all Germans supported the Nazis? KNow what? Watch late night talk show hosts do german impressions doing nonsensical hard consonanted 'words' and acting like Hitler and watch the audience laugh and you'll discover the truth of how long a stereotype can endure without its foundation.
I think they did sth. wrong, but what did muslims do?????
quote: Originally posted by Exen
Stereotypes are dangerous because they're infectious... and they're infectious because there is USUALLY an element of truth behind them. Are all muslims terrorists? Of course not. Islam is an ancient and noble religion worthy of respect.
I donno what stereotypes mean, so i won't reply at this one. _________________
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Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:26 pm |
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Chekote
Where’s my Banana?!?!
Joined: 08 Mar 2002
Posts: 1540
Location: Dont know, looks kind of green |
See how easy it is to have things get out of control?
Even someone who speaks very good english can take a passive post and interpret it as an attack.
@ X-dANGEr: You misunderstand EverythingXen's post. He was not being aggresive. _________________ IMHO my opinion is humble |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:31 pm |
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EverythingXen
Arch-villain
Joined: 01 Feb 2002
Posts: 4342
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Stereotype means assuming all people of a certain type are the same.
Yes, all countries have gangs, crimes, and stupid people... and you'll find that most of these countries have people they associate with these actions by default. America is just really, really, really loud.
Even just a century ago my own ancestors, the Irish, were treated very poorly. It was thought that we were all lazy, belligerant drunks not good for anything except perhaps dock work. Even today people think Irish and a lot will think heavy drinking or green beer.
What did the Irish ever do to anyone? Well... the usual slaughters over territory and power... but every ancient culture did that.
As for muslims who are terrorists? I don't know any... but I know that a lot of people blowing themselves up or beheading civilians not involved in conflict CALL themselves muslims. I will not judge if they are or are not ... I know nothing of the religion ... but they are what gets seen, they are what gets read about. I will not believe that Allah wants innocent men and women massacred in His name any more than I believe that God wants them massacred in His. I may easily be wrong... but I hope that I am not or there is no hope for peace.
The why they are doing it is not as important as the innocent who get hurt by them doing it. _________________ Estuans interius, Ira vehementi
"The old world dies and with it the old ways. We will rebuild it as it should be, MUST be... Immortal!"
=Member of the Nonflamers Guild=
=Worshipper of the Written Word= |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:06 pm |
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Val
Risen From Ashes
Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
Location: Utah, USA |
Why, after reading this story, do I feel like I've only gotten half of the story?
Before you all start start despairing like this is some day of mourning, think first. Any individual, celebrity or not, should never be exempt from scrutiny if they have done something in their past that somehow linked them to terrorists or a terrorist organization. Mr. Stevens obviously raised some red flags, unwittingly or not. Thus, he's denied entry. That's it. He wasn't arrested, tortured, or killed. So please stop acting like it's a crime against humanity that the man was deported. You don't have the right to travel wherever you want in the world. If you go to a foreign nation, then you have to play by their rules. If you did something that they consider threatening, then they have the right to refuse you entry.
Mr. Stevens was not deported because he is Muslim. Anyone who believes that should have their head examined. I'm certain that tons of Muslims enter and leave the US on a daily basis without a peep from immigration. I'm also certain that if a mistake was made when his name got added to the list, then there is an appeal process to correct it.
This isn't about stereotypes. This is about taking the logical course of action to prevent terrorist operations from ever occurring again on US soil. _________________ Freeeeeeedom! Thank heavens it's summer!
What do I have to show for my hard work? A piece of paper! Wee!
=Guardian, Moderator, UltimaDot Newshound= |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:53 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
quote: Originally posted by Val
Mr. Stevens was not deported because he is Muslim. Anyone who believes that should have their head examined. I'm certain that tons of Muslims enter and leave the US on a daily basis without a peep from immigration. I'm also certain that if a mistake was made when his name got added to the list, then there is an appeal process to correct it.
As shown at the first post, it says that he was deported cuz of he is a muslim, as i know everyone has a wrong thought of Islam, si i wanted to clear it up a little.
quote: Originally posted by Exen
As for muslims who are terrorists? I don't know any... but I know that a lot of people blowing themselves up or beheading civilians not involved in conflict CALL themselves muslims. I will not judge if they are or are not ... I know nothing of the religion ... but they are what gets seen, they are what gets read about. I will not believe that Allah wants innocent men and women massacred in His name any more than I believe that God wants them massacred in His. I may easily be wrong... but I hope that I am not or there is no hope for peace.
As i think we all know that Israel occupied Palestine at first place, in the Islam, there are two options fro this thing, either getting it back politicly or getting it back by force, even if it coasted millions of people, in Algeria when it was occupied by Italy as i think, 1 milion people died until they regain their home, their country, the case is the same in Palestine, we Palestine people won't rest until our country is free again, my family was emigerated by force from Palestine, what do you call this, do you call it Freedom, I can say it is the same as Ireland at old times, we fight for Freedom that's all. _________________
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Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:21 pm |
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Val
Risen From Ashes
Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
Location: Utah, USA |
Did you even bother to read the article? It does not say that he was deported for being Muslim. _________________ Freeeeeeedom! Thank heavens it's summer!
What do I have to show for my hard work? A piece of paper! Wee!
=Guardian, Moderator, UltimaDot Newshound= |
Thu Sep 23, 2004 6:35 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
That what they said(members) and what it pointed out for. _________________
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