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Thetrue meaningofthe Barrier!!!
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Maylander
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Don't agree. Xardas was more powerful than the main char in G1, as he was in G2. He has the ability to summon an army of demons at will, even the great Demon Lords. A few of those and the final bosses in both games would crash into the ground in seconds(a single, regular demon can defeat any dragon in the game except the undead one - just try yourself using summon demon scroll/rune). Remember, everywhere our hero go where Xardas has been, you meet Demon Lords and/or several Demons(Monestary library, his old tower and later his new tower). This alone proves that he is far, far more powerful than the nameless hero, already before taking on the power of the undead dragon.

So why didn't he just do it himself? My guess is that the spell he cast to get the Undead Dragons' powers is incredibly powerful and requires all his powers, so he needed a decoy, cannon fodder, to take care of the dragon first.

So how to choose who to use as a decoy? Remember how you first met Xardas? You had to pass a test of his, why did he create the test? Not so he would figure out whether someone was chosen or not, but simply if they have what it takes to be his little puppet.

The elemental golem test was nothing but a test to secure that whoever reached him first would be good enough to send against the sleeper. Remember, Xardas seriously underestimated the Sleeper - it was never his plan to go into the temple and fall asleep. It was his plan to go in there while our hero was there to finish of the Sleeper, BEFORE the Sleeper woke up! That's why he didn't need anything heavier than the elemental test, it was never meant for whoever that reached him to actually fight the Sleeper, just get into the temple and near the Sleeper. Cor Kalom messed up that plan though, by waking up the Sleeper before he was supposed to wake up, and before Xardas had the time to get everything into motion.

Basically, it's completely random whoever went into that temple, as long as they were powerful enough to pass his elemental golem test(get the 3 hearts and give them to the demon to get to see Xardas). That's why he had the test there in the first place. There would be no need to test if he was simply waiting for the Chosen of Innos - according to Pyrokar he could just "sense" it, and so would Xardas be able to(if it was true.. I still don't believe our hero is anything more than a skilled fighter who is performing miracles because he is convinced that he is special, convinced by Xardas even).

Also, remember how G2 starts - a long speech from Xardas about how you have to be the Chosen and so it is your duty to kill the undead dragon as well. What a load of crap, he's just using you, like he's been doing the entire time - all in order to gain power.
Post Wed Apr 06, 2005 9:33 pm
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necromancerya
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isn't the thing going offtopic? anyway the barrier was made to stop someone(chosen of beliar) to get out, but the sleeper messed the barrier creation up and so the mages were trapped inside. But the sleeper wasn't the chosen of beliar it was just a bad orc demon, just Xardas didnt know it.


Mud isn't evil he is just annoying, so he is not the enemy of our hero, more like the enemy of adanos
Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:30 pm
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necromancerya
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isn't the thing going offtopic? anyway the barrier was made to stop someone(chosen of beliar) to get out, but the sleeper messed the barrier creation up and so the mages were trapped inside. But the sleeper wasn't the chosen of beliar it was just a bad orc demon, just Xardas didnt know it.


Mud isn't evil he is just annoying, so he is not the enemy of our hero, more like the enemy of adanos
Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:31 pm
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necromancerya
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isn't the thing going offtopic? anyway the barrier was made to stop someone(chosen of beliar) to get out, but the sleeper messed the barrier creation up and so the mages were trapped inside. But the sleeper wasn't the chosen of beliar it was just a bad orc demon, just Xardas didnt know it.


Mud isn't evil he is just annoying, so he is not the enemy of our hero, more like the enemy of adanos
Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:32 pm
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necromancerya
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isn't the thing going offtopic? anyway the barrier was made to stop someone(chosen of beliar) to get out, but the sleeper messed the barrier creation up and so the mages were trapped inside. But the sleeper wasn't the chosen of beliar it was just a bad orc demon, just Xardas didnt know it.


Mud isn't evil he is just annoying, so he is not the enemy of our hero, more like the enemy of adanos
Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:34 pm
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necromancerya
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isn't the thing going offtopic? anyway the barrier was made to stop someone(chosen of beliar) to get out, but the sleeper messed the barrier creation up and so the mages were trapped inside. But the sleeper wasn't the chosen of beliar it was just a bad orc demon, just Xardas didnt know it.


Mud isn't evil he is just annoying, so he is not the enemy of our hero, more like the enemy of adanos
Post Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:35 pm
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Maylander
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I think the Sleeper was the Chosen of Beliar at the time, since it was he who summoned the Undead Dragon(and his companions) with a final scream when he was sent back to another dimension. I agree on your other points though.

Also, there is no need to post something a lot of times. The server is a bit slow sometime, so just wait a bit instead of clicking several times.
Post Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:19 pm
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titus
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The true meaning of the Barrier? but from whose point of view? the king ordered the mages to do something to protect the ore mines, but it went wrong and became too big.
From xardas his point of view?: it wasn't his plan too expand the barrier but it was convenient for him because once he left the fire mages he could study the dark arts and Beliar and all his power much better .
That is what I think at least
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Post Sat Apr 09, 2005 12:41 pm
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Uocjat
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i think xardas would propperly have left and turned to the dark arts anyway
some one says he was already dabbeling in it back before the barrier
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