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Bartacus
Il Buono
Joined: 24 May 2003
Posts: 4706
Location: Belgium Flemmish part |
So this is still open. Well I will give you some logical reasoning why I absolutely believe this is a hoax. In the German Gothic there's a quest where you have to go to the TRoll canyons rogue camp. They didn't build in that quest in the English gothic. Now explain to me why someone put his time into a quest that is almost impossible to solve, when those persons don't even got the time to put in all 'normal' quests. The answer is offcourse that a gamedev would never do that.
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Uocjat
High Emperor
Joined: 06 Mar 2003
Posts: 706
Location: deep in the dungons of area 51 |
i might be wrong but this quest was added whit a patch was it not ?
and at some point i think that its harder to think of a way to weav in a quest to the whole story rather then just adding something optional ..
but ofcause there will allways be people who wouldnt belife it if they havent seen it .. but if everybody was like that we wouldnt get anywhere
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Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtsy,
it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod
are, the olny imprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and
lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. the rset can be a
total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm.
tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey
lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. |
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:56 pm |
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megadav
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Great Hungary |
@Bartacus
Of course we can't be sure if we'll find something (or at least I'm not). But it's much more fun than a riddle we have to solve because we know we can. This situation is more optional, if you know what I mean.
@Wulf
I'll think about these things, but I still have questions  . First of all, what's that thing with the Column? Or why is it important to be neutral to all camps?
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Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:00 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@Uocjat,
That demon voice from the 6th book, it can be heard in some other place in the game. (throw a demon at Xardas after opening the five shrines gate)
@megadav,
If you solve the old man quest, it leads you to a chest "near" the column.
I agree with Rordog how wolverine_men cleverly by-passes a give-away clue, but you can go a long way into the camps without having to join them, this leaves the option of running in and out of the other camps to get good xp, thats how i played the very FIRST time. Of course this also lets you get every book in the game before joining a guild.!!!!! |
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:59 am |
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megadav
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Great Hungary |
quote:
If you solve the old man quest...
Sweet my, have you solved the old man quest? Then what are we talking about?
Other: when you say every book, do you mean the Chromanin books as well?
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:37 am |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
@megadav,
I've mentioned many times, inadvertently (unknowingly) the first time i played the game, i met the old man and did the quest, but i did not know that it was something special, that is why i am pulling my hair out  trying to find him again.
This bit about the books is difficult to reason with, i've tried many different ways to re-construct how i think i did it the first time.
I am not sure if its possible to get all of the non-cromanin books before being barred from the old camp because Gorn gives you the key for the free- mine to get a couple of books (on the first visit) before ch/5, before you get the ulu-mulu (second visit) But it is Xardas who first sends you to Ur-shak, but asking Saturas to "blow the ore mound now" enables Ch/4 so then you are barred!! - - - but there is a gap in the game here (before asking to blow the mound) so it would depend on which camp you are in. At the moment i am a full-statted rogue and have access to all camps.
So, it is possible to have NO "cromanin books" up to this point, i am still working on it, just need to get into the free mine (no cheating)  |
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Tue Nov 02, 2004 12:20 pm |
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Fez
Fearless Paladin
Joined: 08 Dec 2001
Posts: 240
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This has been going on for three years now. No one has posted evidence in that time and the mods here would have noticed if somene had. I think it is time to give it up and accept there is no alternate ending.
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 5:25 pm |
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megadav
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Great Hungary |
Okay, then give it up. I'll think a little bit more about it.
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Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:43 pm |
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
When the disbelievers gather together to mock and scorn, when the light of hope begins to fade, when all have given up the quest for truth, when every man can see no further than his own restricted vision, - - - there will be one who still stands alone in the dark mist, undaunted, forever vigilant, forever faithful to the end, a true believer to the cause of reason that lies hidden in the gothic game - - - - - - one who has been there and listened to the words of cromanin - - Wulf. |
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Sun Nov 07, 2004 1:18 am |
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Stryks
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 22 Jun 2004
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First of all, I believe in the Old man alternative ending, and trust Wulf, because he has no reason to be lying to us. Wulf is honorable, and is probably right on the Old Man thing. But Wolverine_Man, on the other hand, shouldnt be trusted, personally. No offence, but he types like an 8 year old, has a name of an 8 year old that just saw X-Men, and who sits down, on a random try, for four hours in a dark cave. Like I said, no offence, and if you are trying to convince somone, please, try to make it look like you know what you're doing.
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Bartacus
Il Buono
Joined: 24 May 2003
Posts: 4706
Location: Belgium Flemmish part |
quote:
Originally posted by Stryks
First of all, I believe in the Old man alternative ending, and trust Wulf, because he has no reason to be lying to us. Wulf is honorable, and is probably right on the Old Man thing. But Wolverine_Man, on the other hand, shouldnt be trusted, personally. No offence, but he types like an 8 year old, has a name of an 8 year old that just saw X-Men, and who sits down, on a random try, for four hours in a dark cave. Like I said, no offence, and if you are trying to convince somone, please, try to make it look like you know what you're doing.
'Wulf should be trusted.' I just have to tell CM this.
I give you a reason: power. Power to control other minds. I have done this too in different ways, but I stopped at the age of 14. I know many other people like to tell lies, but I don't or at least I will tell them the truth soon after.(Unless in very rare cases when the person is just to fragile to handle it.)
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ShadowShrike
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Posts: 29
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It's saddening to see crap like this getting by. I may be brand new here, but come on people, it's bloody obvious that this Wulf person is manipulating you for the fun of it. It's the aspect of being in control that attracts people to it-- the same reason people make up and give out little tidbits of fake scripts for upcoming movies, to use a rather similar example; you see this in any instance of someone who wants to manipulate others but does not have the means to. Knowledge is power-- and by telling you he's got knowledge but not sharing it, he's got clear power over you. Just reading through this thread it's almost sickening how he's playing so many people for fools. Rather like watching a veteran Diablo player convince a newbie to drop all their equipment so they can see it to trade, then taking it and leaving. Except his gain here is simply the knowledge that he's got you wrapped around his finger. You can find a very similar case of this bulls--t looking up the blog of the so-called Andy Kaufman, a look-alike faking the dead Andy's return on the day he said he'd come back if he faked his death. Like this tool, he relentlessly insults all those people who disbelieve him, widening the gap between believers and disbelievers so as to keep his followers around for as long as he can.
Now, I will proceed with the logical reasoning to attempt to convince you people who are still convinced by him. It is logic, after all, not rhetoric that should be used in deciding these things.
Point One.
Nobody has been able to provide a screenshot or any solid evidence that this exists. There is no reason that Wulf wouldn't at least take a 'teaser shot' of, say, the secret tunnel, just to prove he's not lying but not give away any of the fun stuff.
Point Two.
A large commnuity has for three years been trying to solve this quest and failing. It is virtually impossible something like this would go undiscovered for so long. Dedicated players were solving every last aspect of Gothic in mere months. Every previous solution has been debunked as a fake or turned out to be a joke-- this one is just being carried on far too long.
Point Three.
Wulf and his cohort's fake clues are leading everyone in circles. Many dedicated players have wasted hours with a huge jump start trying to solve this quest finding absolutely nothing. If it was possible, it would have been done with this many 'real' clues.
Now we move on to the more important and irrefutable points that prove this to be a fake.
Point Four.
The data files contain no voice acting for this so called wise man in neither the English or German editions of the game. No patches add it either.
Point Five.
Searching with a hex editor through all the data files and the excecutable returns no mention of any of this in text or scripting.
Point Six.
The most telling: using cheat (Marvin) mode and jumping around through the walls, there is no damn tunnel.
Well, that settles it  .
To any who are offended by my aggressive tone, I apologise in advance, but please try to understand how infuriating it is to see people get messed with in this manner over nothing at all.
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Wulf
The Shepherd
Joined: 20 Sep 2003
Posts: 2312
Location: North/West.England |
Hello ShadowShrike, welcome to the friendly forums,
Anyone can see that i have purposely endeavoured to maintain some momentum in the interest that has been gained in this true cromanin quest since wolverine_men began this thread, this is because of the overriding fact that the quest does exist.
Foul words of scorn are of no consequence to me, it shows faithlessness in the human race, i will however, excuse your manner, it is understandable, you have no knowledge of the facts (yet you make yourself sound like an expert so as to influence others) maybe it's yourself who is the power seeker you mention?
There are no screenshots yet, but one day there will be, i will continue to strive onward alone in the search, i owe that much at least, to the good-guys, the devoted and ever faithful true gothic players of these forums.  |
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 8:08 pm |
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rasmuslarsen
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 30
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ShadowShrike: It is not as if you have given the key to the situation. If you believe so, you are even more ignorant than my first impression of your words.
Point Four.
Unless you have unlimited access to the writers' code and information there is no way you can tell what a patch adds to a game. Of course you can read about it in the official statement but that is a different story.
Point Five.
What will you search for? If a alternative ending is this well hidden, it would be stupid not to encrypt the code and for that matter the audio file.
Point Six.
As said many times. We believe that Marvin mode "destroy" the alternative ending of the mission.
The other points are simply too stupid to comment on.
Bartacus: I guess that the childish one is you. No offence but that is one hell of a stupid statement you make.
Stryks: If you do not believe in wolverrine_men, you do not believe in Wulf either. They have experienced the same thing and can tell many things of the same things.
If you doubt the alternative ending why waste time trying to convince others? Or maybe it is yourself you want to convince?
And Wulf, keep up! You're doing a great job. |
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Fri Nov 12, 2004 9:19 pm |
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megadav
Captain of the Guard
Joined: 28 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Great Hungary |
@ShadowShrike
I'm rather surprised you did this amazing work because of sadness. I mean, you checked all files and scripts, in all versions both in English and German game, you searched the whole net to find a screenshot... And you did this just because your superior spirit must enlighten the lower ones, you didn't want to be an I-know-better guy. It's very nice.
In other words: I don't care if there's no solution. I don't care if I'm being misled by Wulf (but actually I don't think so). I don't care any of the clever guys who show up and tell me who should I believe. I actually enjoy solving this riddle, even if this is a fake. I don't want to be offensive, you can be right, but for me it's irrelevant.
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