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Kalia
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| Dungeon Lords CE Review @ Boomtown |
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Boomtown has posted its review of the collector's edition of Dungeon Lords. The subtitle asks the reader, "Can it hold a candle to Oblivion". Judging by the 3/10 stars it garnered, apparently not. Three sentences sum it up nicely: <blockquote><em>Running away is a decent strategy, actually. If you see Dungeon Lords on the counter in your local games store, run away. Run as though your life depended on it.</em></blockquote>Read the rest <a href="http://rpg.boomtown.net/en_uk/articles/art.view.php?id=11130" target="_blank">here</a>. |
Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:44 pm |
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txa1265
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This review is *NOT* for the Collector's Edition, based on this quote alone:
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You cannot customize the look of your character despite the manual actually saying you can.
And while I don't disagree with many of the sentiments, I get no impression from the review that he ever got out of Fargrove - the basic review is 'it's ugly, not as nice as Oblivion, now go away'. Thanks for the hint 
If you think a game is crap - especially a RPG - give some decent reasons.
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Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:47 pm |
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Kalia
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While it doesn't show in the forum article, I've edited the article on the front page to reflect that this was not a review of the CE. Thanks for pointing that out. |
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:25 pm |
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ToddMcF2002
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Joined: 10 Jan 2005
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I admit I registered last night there to leave a nasty comment about that review. I can't stand Dungeon Lords but I *really* can't stand reviews that completely lack objectivity and essentially flame away. I totally agree that he probably never got out of Fargrove. Where is his discussion of the leveling system? Magic system? Combat system development? If anything, DL actually has a decent action combat system once you develop the dodging skills.
Bottom line is that this is a really terrible and outright irresponsible review. Bradley and crew deserve the dignity of a bit more objectivity from a so called "professional" review.
And to the knucklehead who flamed me over there - should you read this - I despise DL because of the horrible spawning and repetitive gameplay. Its just not a fun game.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:15 pm |
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txa1265
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quote:
Originally posted by ToddMcF2002
Bottom line is that this is a really terrible and outright irresponsible review. Bradley and crew deserve the dignity of a bit more objectivity from a so called "professional" review.
They deserve to get properly slammed for the problems they have, not because their year-old game doesn't match the graphics of a brand new, best-in-class engine! 
Mike
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:38 pm |
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ToddMcF2002
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quote:
Originally posted by txa1265
They deserve to get properly slammed for the problems they have, not because their year-old game doesn't match the graphics of a brand new, best-in-class engine!
Mike
Oh no - coming from you one of the games few defenders! You have to admit this review was far from objective. There is a certain responsibility when you write a public review associated with a news site to have a certain level of objectivity. Claiming that DL has 1998 graphics and bad textures is totally absurd. Failure to talk about the games major attributes (whether positive or negative) is negligent.
The review is a total troll post.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:43 pm |
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txa1265
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quote:
Originally posted by ToddMcF2002
The review is a total troll post.
Yeah, I was just joking around. Your point is absolutely correct - judge the game on its' merits. I was just taking it to the extreme - we all know the game is flawed (regardless of how much fun I've had playing it!), but that is one of those horrid reviews.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:05 pm |
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I hate to say it, they screwed people over with that game. I really really enjoyed playing until I hit a major bug and couldn't continue. I'm an old school rpger so I'm not too much into graphics so I mainly go for gameplay. That game could've been really good but now its just sitting there collecting dust. |
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:28 pm |
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txa1265
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quote:
Originally posted by Sherwin
I hate to say it, they screwed people over with that game.
It is really sad (going to chime in here Dhruin ) that they didn't take the 'high road' and give away the Collector's Edition content for free - after being my personal 'most disappointing game of 2005' and more than one magazine's 'worst game of the year', they charged $40 for what amounts to patches, bringing content up to original promise and a few extras.
They could have earned tremendous goodwill, instead they earned yet more ill-will.
Mike
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:32 pm |
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ToddMcF2002
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quote:
Originally posted by txa1265
It is really sad (going to chime in here Dhruin ) that they didn't take the 'high road' and give away the Collector's Edition content for free - after being my personal 'most disappointing game of 2005' and more than one magazine's 'worst game of the year', they charged $40 for what amounts to patches, bringing content up to original promise and a few extras.
They could have earned tremendous goodwill, instead they earned yet more ill-will.
Mike
Totally agree. In fact if they had just given the original purchasers a big discount or SOMETHING to at least recognize us it could have been at least partially justified. As it stands though - they (Dreamcatcher) and Heuristic Park have totally alienated the gamers they were trying to attract. Who are they targeting now? The unleary impulse buyer I guess. Very sad. The engine is not a bad one by any stretch. With some design work, some extra coding and effort it could have been great.
How depressing. Yeah definately my #1 disappointment as well. The fact that it wasnt just a failure - but complete travesty - makes it so much more painful. *sigh*
The review still sucks a$$ though.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:52 pm |
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xSamhainx
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Good job ToddMcF2002 
As I've said previously, I like just reading the various jibes and such that have been directed at the game, some reviews and commentary have had me actually cracking up. Like a sarcastic review of a horrible film, a well-worded DL bashing is quite entertaining. I was cracking up myself just playing the demo for the original.
That said, I think this guy figured he'd have no resistance whatsoever to a fun little cruise-control pummel of a pretty much universally-despised game. I do and have always totally disagreed about the graphical criticisms of the game. This is the sticking point with me, and has been when I read other people's rants toward the game. Granted, I have not played the full version, but what I saw in the demos has been pretty damn cool looking. It just played like hell
Just look at those screenshots, look pretty good to me.
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Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:04 pm |
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ToddMcF2002
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quote:
Originally posted by xSamhainx
Good job ToddMcF2002
As I've said previously, I like just reading the various jibes and such that have been directed at the game, some reviews and commentary have had me actually cracking up. Like a sarcastic review of a horrible film, a well-worded DL bashing is quite entertaining. I was cracking up myself just playing the demo.
That said, I think this guy figured he'd have no resistance whatsoever to a fun little cruise-control pummel of a pretty much universally-despised game. I do and have always totally disagreed about the graphical criticisms of the game. This is the sticking point with me, and has been with other people who have used it in their rants toward the game. Granted, I have not played the full version, but what I saw in the demos has been pretty damn cool looking. It just played like hell
Just look at those screenshots, look pretty good to me.
I get incensed by this kind of bashing because the game does have some postive attributes and some people actually like it. This reminds me of the kind of bashing you see for ToEE and POR2 - games that also have positive attributes but tend to get the short end of the stick. When this kind of thing happens it means publisher dollars don't get allocated for risky projects. Sure they deserve criticism but it needs to be objective. Making a "sport" out of bashing certain titles is very destructive to sales and it puts good studios like Troika out of business ultimately. Unless people want to play console games they really need to give the more complicated development projects (rpgs!) some allowances for issues. I thought PCGamer had a really good DL review - it gave it a 46% but it was very objective about what the problems were.
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 1:55 am |
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Kalia
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Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:21 am |
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publishers dollars come from critical and most importantly economical successs like BG2 and Elder scrolls series. publishers and developers like those who made DL are just after a quick buck. i dont think the utter failur od DL hurts the rpg genre.
there are several well stblished developers and publishers currently working on the next greatest cRPGs. we just have to realize that th golden age of 5 golb box SSI RPGs are gone. 1 or 2 a year is the limit. stop buying all the opportunistic crap in between. |
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