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titus
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1st of all the undead dragon is not the sleeper, cause the sleeper wasd no dragon so how can he become an undead dragon 
second of all,he migth be the avatar of beliar but I think it's a creature summoned by beliar and entrusted a great deal of power. So by killing it we delivered a huge blow to beliar. If it was not for xardas cause he is the chosen one of beliar and absorped the power that was invested in the dragon, just like the hero is the chosen of innos. So now xardas has the great powers and I am sure he will be the greater evil we'll havr to fight in gothic 3.
What do you guys think?
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I think we all know the Sleeper isn't the undead dragon. Xardas now became very powerful and in Gothic 3 you will have too face him and destroy him.
IMO.
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balconygolf_ThE_bRiDe
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Wellspoken.But I disagree wherethere the heroe is the choosen of Innos or not.I think he was in the wrong place the right moment.So he said "what the f4ck" and fought evil in Gothic1.In Gothic2 he said something like that "do the right and left it behind".In both games if he didnt act he would end up as a digger/slave or dead.
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megadav
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Well, I actually think that the dragon IS the Sleeper, or an other creature with the Sleeper's power. Xardas said in the finale that we failed first time but now not, and so he has its power. 
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MageofFire
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No the Undead Dragon is NOT the Sleeper!  At the beginning of the game Xardas says that the Sleeper's last order was "COME." Then he says "and they came. Even the dragons." So you see the Undead Dragon was summoned by the Sleeper. Now, megadav, you may be right about the Undead Dragon having the Sleeper's power; the Sleeper may have transferred his powers to the Undead Dragon before he was banished, but they are not one and the same. They are both powerful instruments of Beliar. So you see, Xardas only wanted the power of one of Beliar's bigwigs.
What I would like to see in Gothic 3 is multiple options about how to handle Xardas. I. e. you can kill him or try to talk him out of it.
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titus
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Yeah BTB your right I forget that part but it is so easy to forget because you always get so strong that you look at the scrapers/farmers as lowlifes 
You might be wright: wrong men on the wrong place at the wrong time. MMM It works 2 times but how are they going to do it with gothic 3. Or will you choose to be the hero in the third part 
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megadav
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@MageofFire
I think Xardas meant the other dragons, because the undead is the Sleeper 
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titus
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No the undead dragon is not the sleeper !!!!
the sleeper could have control over people but the undead dragon his powers are much stronger because otherwhise xardas had taken the power of the sleeper and not of the undead dragon. the undead dragon was the upper controller of the army of beliar or at least a part of it.
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megadav
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Xardas couldn't take the power of the Sleeper in G1! Remember, he was sleeping in the middle of a falling temple...
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titus
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That is wright  but still the undead dragon is not the Sleeper
the undead dragon was sucked up in some kind of dimensional portal and actually I don't think The sleeper is really dead the undead dragon is dead
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megadav
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He was banished back to Beliar's realm, I think. And he used him once again.
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titus
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Good idea back to beliars realm. But The Sleeper wasn't dead so he would have sent the Sleeper maybe stronger and that you would have to fight him this time for real. But not transformed as the leader of the dragons
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megadav
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He was weak (he still wasn't awoked) and a great shock came to him I think it's enough to turn undead. (But I never tried )
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titus
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mmm good theory. You know what test it out and let me know how it ends
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megadav
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OK, so I'm going to sleep very much? Gooood
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