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bearcub
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 28 Mar 2002
Posts: 45
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Well everybody has games they like better, and dislike more. This game was great for me, in some ways better then past m@M. I think what frustrates people is one can see a even a better game as a possibility when playing this one. I am going on my third game and have obviously enjoyed the ride. |
Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:19 pm |
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bearcub
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 28 Mar 2002
Posts: 45
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Well everybody has games they like better, and dislike more. This game was great for me, in some ways better then past m@M. I think what frustrates people is one can see a even a better game as a possibility when playing this one. I am going on my third game and have obviously enjoyed the ride. |
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:23 pm |
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Lintra
Elf Friend
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 9448
Location: Bermuda, the triangle place with SANDY BEACHES |
I beg to disagree with Joey. The development staff has been pretty much 100% laid off, so it is not reasonable to expect to see more of the same. The corporate action clearly states "This is a money loser, and we are pulling out".
As to Maggot's post, rave reviews and good sales did not re open the to doors to producers of W8. Sir Tech Canada is still dead, and unless someone purchases the license, there will not be another Wizardry title.
In fact the Wizardry franchise is in better shape than M&M since at least the license *is* available to purchase…I don’t foresee JVC giving up the rights to M&M; so unless he leaves, or 3D0 does a spin off of NWC the franchise is on hold.
I would buy the game again. Firstly because I *am* enjoying it, and secondly for nostalgic purposes. It is not the best M&M, but it is not the worst either. I think most of the poor reviews are a reflection of the reviewer's subconscious disappointment at what the game could've been with a little more time - not an impartial review of what it is. |
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:29 pm |
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Maggot
Magister of the Light
Joined: 17 Jul 2001
Posts: 392
Location: Reykjavik, Iceland |
Seems like we have a tie, then. I think I'll see if I can see it at a friends before I decide, then.
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:38 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 849
Location: Outer Space |
Lintra, I was speaking more generally about companies as opposed to very specifically about M&M - but your point is well taken. As for the reviews being in some way unfair - I beg to differ. In fact, I believe they have been gracious and generous. If one were to make a list of ALL the things that are wrong (or should have been better) - bugs and bad design, it would be a very long list indeed. Understand that I have also been a fan of the M&M series, but this one is far, far from acceptable so I say this with a heartfelt sadness. Some of the problems this game has is unfortunately mirrored in other "new" games - the quality and attention to detail is severely lacking in recent games. That, however, does not excuse those problems. Further, everyone should be very careful - there is a significant difference between "liking" something and that something being of high quality. There is nothing at all wrong with liking something that is of poor quality, however, it IS bad to ignore the reality of a bad product JUST because you like it.
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 4:39 pm |
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It amazes me how many people when it comes to games think thier view is correct. Joey you do not like the game and think it is junk, fine. Others do like the game and think it is quite good. Are the people who like it idiots or are you one. More likely you are a reasonable person who did not like this game. Move on! I hated POR 2 and do not really give it a second thought these days. You make points on the game like there fact instead of opinion. But it is just that you're opinion. |
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 7:59 pm |
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Danicek
The Old One
Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
Well Guest, we are saying here our personal opinions and there is no need to say it after every sentence. That is how I take Joeys opinion. |
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 8:28 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command
Joined: 03 Jan 2002
Posts: 849
Location: Outer Space |
| Fact versus opinion versus liking |
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Please note from my previous post that I encourage people to recognize the difference between a product being of high quality and liking that product. These two (while perhaps not totally mutually exclusive) frequently do not go hand in hand. Part of that is because of personal tastes. Part of that is due to a variety of human characteristics that cause many (if not most) of us to internally shade our opinion and our acceptance of "facts" based upon what we want rather than what is.
If I LIKE something, that is NOT open to debate. It is simply a statement of my mental attitude.
However, an opinion (usually of potentially factual information) IS open to debate because one's opinion is usually concerned with some "fact". For instance, one might have the opinion that the graphics suck in a particular game. This is very close to the "like" from above - with a subtle but important difference. One CAN (if one opens one mind) judge the quality of the game graphics relative to some standard (another game or such). It is far better to simply say you don't like the graphical appearance rather than claiming they suck. They may, in point of fact, be state of the art. But just as I do not like the art of Van Gogh (if you are a Van Gogh fan, please take no offence), I CANNOT say (and it have any meaning) that Van Gogh's art sucks. Why? Because what is "good" or "bad" is frequently too subjective a thing.
Now, facts, are those things that can be quantified or objectified in some way (hopefully avoiding the pratfal of opinion).
For instance, it is a fact (not just my opinion) that in M&MIX, the maps are screwed up (some have north facing up and some in other directions). This, to anybody but someone bent totally on judging the game as "good" no matter the facts of the matter. It seems self evident (to me) that the maps SHOULD be (at least) uniform throughout the game. This then, is an example - and unless one has the ability to totally ignore this sort of fault, then one should try to judge the game more objectively by looking at the quantity and frequency of these sort of problems in the game. I can make a very long list..
After all of this, remember, you can still like the game. However, to blindly claim it is "good" is wrong because "good" implies that it is well written, designed and executed - and M&MIX is not that.
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Wed Apr 24, 2002 9:36 pm |
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Gothmog
Village Leader
Joined: 12 Apr 2002
Posts: 88
Location: Wales |
Judgements about "goodness" must inevitably be subjective,like beuty it's a qulity that resides in the Eye of the Beholder. For what it,s worth(very little)I did not think,having finished it that MM1X was a good game but I nevertheless enjoyed playing it.
By comparison Baldurs Gate was probably a good game but i became increasingly disenchanted with it and eventually gave up without finishing it.
For me the biggest problem with MM1X was that it was a Might and Magic game and I expect more as a result. |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 10:44 am |
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Hey people. I must admit that this M&M was a bit of dissapointement. NWC didn't work long enough to make this game a perfect one. They also screwed up with HoMM4. But can you remember our first impression with Gothic. I can say you that only few people liked it from the beggining, because it was really buggy. Im MY this MM series is the worth if you compare it to MM 6-8, those were interesting to play. The story line could be better, cas i have no idea on how in the world i got to isles of ashes "OH my ship crashed" thats all? One other thing that REALLY bugs me is the faces of NPCs. Im tired to see my grampa in everytown by everyhouse, and i cant stand seeing the same faces over and over again. Even Gothic had bigger veriety. NWC knew that people would buy its games because we liked the first series so they didn't put too much effort in making either HoMM 4 or MM9 a really good game.
Sorry bout long post.
Shurik.......signed out.
P.S. can't we use our usernames from other forums.....like from Gothic forum? |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:54 pm |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook
Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 9708
Location: RPGDot |
If it is one of the RPGDot forums and you are registered, you should be able to login with your username...
=EDIT= You are registered, so just login via the 'login' option on the upper right of the page.
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:56 pm |
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Sorry for my English, here are a few corrections
"Im MY this MM..."==In MY opinion this |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:58 pm |
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Bratok
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adf |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 1:59 pm |
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Shurik
Eager Tradesman
Joined: 05 Feb 2002
Posts: 46
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I feel dumb, i forgot to log in  .
Have hapy gaming everyone. |
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Thu Apr 25, 2002 2:03 pm |
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Lintra
Elf Friend
Joined: 23 Apr 2002
Posts: 9448
Location: Bermuda, the triangle place with SANDY BEACHES |
Joey,
My reference to the reviewers being skewed was not clear. This game does not deserve ratings like 17% or 40% (games domain). It is better than that. Were I to try and be objective I would come up with a score no lower than a 70%. I have had no problems with bugs (although my load time for the pouches dropped by dead monsters is very long), and I like the game system, pacing, and quests.
PS - you might note I never said the game was great....just that I was enjoying it. I was just speculating as to why the large number of very negative reviews.
PPS - If MM X were produced would you buy a copy? |
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