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~NOBODY~
The One And Only
Joined: 15 Sep 2003
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Location: Vivec, Jobasha's Rare Books |
@Pik:
I mean that they wouldn'y like the game if it had sooo bad journal
@Davo:
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The NPCs throughout the world of Morrowind say exactly the same dialogue too many times
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Pikkon
A Hadou Master And A Skilled Thief
Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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Location: Where the sea is salt and the pool is not... |
i dont like whebn the jornl is bad!!!!!!!
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Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:02 pm |
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~NOBODY~
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quote:
Originally posted by Myself
@Pik:
I mean that they wouldn'y like the game if it had sooo bad journal
I said THEY. |
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Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:07 pm |
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Jung
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Joined: 19 Jun 2002
Posts: 411
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Originally posted by ~NOBODY~
And what do you want when there's 1000 NPCs?
If they can't make a good portion of 1000 NPC's interesting, then they shouldn't make 1000. Make less. 95% are filler in MW and that is too high a percentage.
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Davo
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Joined: 03 Sep 2002
Posts: 146
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@ ~NOBODY~
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And what do you want when there's 1000 NPCs?
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Um, how about fewer repeated dialogue options. Does nearly every one of those more than 1,000 NPCs have to provide me with the same "Dunmer" dialogue choice, for example, with the same answer? Why can't each dialogue choice be limited to, say, 25 NPCs. Another alternative would have been to have each NPC address the repeated dialogue choices in slightly different ways to give each NPC a unique personality. Bethesda could have also limited background dialogue choices (about things like the history of the Dunmer and so on) to a few characters while also putting those answers in a section of the Journal dedicated to "history" or "background information." 
Morrowind is actually my favorite game of last year, but I think there is still room for improvement.
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Cm
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Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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I agree. I am about 20 days ingame play and I have most of the dialogue memorized, but as it's my first time playing, I am afraid not to go through most of them for fear I'll miss that one important statement. This could have been better thought out. As mentioned before, divide it up and only have part of them say different things. 
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Mon Oct 13, 2003 9:29 pm |
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cfmdobbie
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Joined: 01 Jul 2002
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Oh, but they are divided up already! There are so many NPCs you'll inevitably begin to notice repetitions eventually. Maybe they could have done more, which would have cost a lot more in money and development time and maybe stopped you noticing until day 40 or so? It's a trade-off they had to make, and it doesn't detract too much from the experience for me.
There are different dialogue combinations based on your race, your gender, their race, whether or not they are worldly wise, their profession, their disposition towards you etc., and then there are NPCs with special dialogue defined which may itself vary depending on the above qualities as well.
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Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:31 pm |
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~NOBODY~
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Yeah, and there're also randomly selected dialogue options. If you want to know more, open the TES CS & see that each NPC has around 100 things to say if not more.
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Tue Oct 14, 2003 2:44 pm |
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Cm
Sentinel of Light
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Posts: 5209
Location: Missouri USA |
I stand corrected cfm. I just talked to someone after increasing the way they feel about me, and I was up a level or two as well, and got a whole new dialogue. This makes me realize it does have a rhyme and reason to it. Thanks for the info. I might not have tried to persuade them if you had not told me there was reason to. Thanks again. 
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Tue Oct 14, 2003 7:10 pm |
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~NOBODY~
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Also there's a whole lot of plugins that increase dialog options. |
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Wed Oct 15, 2003 12:04 pm |
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GothicDrak
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Joined: 24 Feb 2003
Posts: 88
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Boringwind couldn't keep my attention for more than 10 minutes.
Too complex for me.
But i like the theme music. |
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cfmdobbie
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I disagree with your first statement  , but the music is fantastic, isn't it? And it's all in MP3 format so you can play it outside the game as well. Nice!
A bit more of it would have been nice - things tend to get repetitive after a while. But you can add your own music to the game, so I just rip the LotR CD and add that to the mix.
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 8:41 am |
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~NOBODY~
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quote:
Originally posted by cfmdobbie
I disagree with your first statement , but the music is fantastic, isn't it? And it's all in MP3 format so you can play it outside the game as well. Nice!
A bit more of it would have been nice - things tend to get repetitive after a while. But you can add your own music to the game, so I just rip the LotR CD and add that to the mix.
1-What is LotR?
2-I usually listen to the music when I'm doing my homework . It helps me concentrate. Especially the Morrowind title music. |
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Thu Oct 16, 2003 11:53 am |
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Gorath
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Originally posted by Jung
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Originally posted by ~NOBODY~
And what do you want when there's 1000 NPCs?
If they can't make a good portion of 1000 NPC's interesting, then they shouldn't make 1000. Make less. 95% are filler in MW and that is too high a percentage.
The devs of this new RPG, The Fall, are taking an interesting approach to get their announced 1k unique NPCs done: a few days ago they asked their German community to create single NPCs or small groups of interconnected NPCs, complete with (non-quest) dialog. A scheme, puzzle pieces for daily schedules and examples where provided, to assure standardisation and simple refinement by the devs.
Of course I´m not convinced this will lead to more than a few HQ NPCs, but at least they get masses of fresh ideas into the development process.
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cfmdobbie
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quote:
Originally posted by ~NOBODY~
1-What is LotR?
Sorry, Lord of the Rings.
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Originally posted by Gorath
Of course I´m not convinced this will lead to more than a few HQ NPCs, but at least they get masses of fresh ideas into the development process.
That is good! I like to see community participation like that, and the benefits to the developers are enormous. Well done them.
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