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Michael C
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| Spain's 11/9 terror bombs in Madrid |
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Okay the date was not 11/9 but 11/3-2004.
193 dead
1400 wounded
12 bombs went of in the main train station area in Madrid
3 unexplored bombs found in the same area.
No organisation has claimed to be behind the bombs yet, but the Spanish government think it's the local terror organisation ETA that's behind it, also because the bombs are the same type they normally use.
But ETA will not claim the credit for this terror action, they say that we should look after the responsible in an arabic league (Al Quaida?).
ETA normally takes credit for all their terror, and normally even warn about where they will going to strike, and often goes after politicians.
So who is responsible: ETA, Al Quaida, Another fraction of either or another sect perhaps like the one who gassed the underground in Tokyo???
My condolences to the Spanish people.
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cfmdobbie
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My guess: Al Qaeda. Although it's really too early to tell.
The railways have been an Eta target in the past and a number of Eta members were arrested in the area recently, but it just seems too big for them - they've been less active in the past few years, and many have said they're much less of a threat. Spain was an active member of the coalition during the invasion of Iraq so they're definitely on Al Qaeda's list.
But time will tell.
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Michael C
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An arabic information source says that Al Quida takes the responsibility for the Madrid Terror, and warn that much more terror is on the way especially for the countries involved in the Iraq war. They specicfic says that another major terror act in USA is 90% ready, and will be known as the "Wind of black death".
Some info sources also have written that the number of days between 11/9 in New york and the 11/3 in Madrid is 911 days (9-11).
Well all information of this kind must ofcourse be taken with a lot of suspiciousness
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Roach
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My condolences as well, and my best wishes for the wounded. |
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Bartacus
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Don't know how to react on this. For me it's clear that it is Al Qaeda. The only reason why the Spannish governement points at ETA is because of the upcomming elections. I'll bet they will say after the elections that it wasn't ETA, but Al Quaeda. (Reigning governement is for the hard approach on ETA, so this would strengthen them if ETA would be responsible.)
It is very hard to eliminate fundamentalisme. I don't see a way to fight them, cause... how shall I say this.. When it's printed on their forehead then it would be very easy, but it isn't. When are you gonna arrest them: when they have those thoughts or plans? Very difficult cause I believe that any man can change idea at the last moment. It's like the movie Minority Report. You never know for sure how to prevent it.
Anyway, my sincere condollations to the people in Madrid.
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Hexy
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This is a strong example of modern terrorism, but I don't think it's comparable to 9-11.
Although it may seem too easy to point at Al Qaeda, or so-called muslim fundmentalists (note: fundamentalism in itself doesn't have to be bad) I think they may have a part in this. I heard some suggest that Al Qaeda and ETA may have been cooperating, kind of like the IRA and terrorists/guerilla in Colombia. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, but I also find it difficult to see why they would decide to cooperate, concidering their goals and interests are so different.
edit: spelling etc
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The Republican
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The death toll has just risen to 199.
I hope these terrorists are hunted down like animals. |
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Michael C
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Newest report says now 200 dead, and still 17 people in critical conditions.
They found a tape in madrid nearby the "terror" where Al Quida presumable takes the blame for the terror, with an North african accent voice.
A Nowigian investigation group, has also found some arabic web-pages, which quite clearly describes about plans of terror in Madrid, as an act of revenge against Spain for participating in the Iraq conflict.
But still no solid proof.
Now during the election the government, finally admits that the terror has a high probability comming from Al Quida
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Are there a lot of posts missing in the thread?
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Val
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Several posts were deleted because they had drawn the thread off-topic and would have spun it off in a direction that this thread was not intented for.
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Lintra
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quote:
Originally posted by dteowner
Are there a lot of posts missing in the thread?
Thanks for asking, it sure felt like that.
quote:
Originally posted by Val
Several posts were deleted because they had drawn the thread off-topic and would have spun it off in a direction that this thread was not intented for.
Thanks for answering. It did feel like there was a bit of a hiccup there.
Edit: I *hate* it when I hit submit instead of preview!! Back to the originally indtended post:
I am very sorry for the Spanish people. It is a terrible thing to be subjected to an act of war carried out on civilians. It is even worse when it appears to be so motiveless.
Senseless slaughter like this really temps me to just give up on humanity in general as a bunch of ignorant, brutish slobs taking up space and destroying as much of the planet as possible before becoming a landfill. But then I hear Monzart, read a favorite author, or see a picture of a new born ... and I remember that humans are capable of great good too.
I am so very sorry that thousands of innocents have to suffer for the misguided convictions of few fanatics. It just doesn't seem fair does it?
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The Republican
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Im sorry, but I believe the Spanish are cowards now. Since they elected the Socalists Workers Party. A people who supports a party that ideals in appesing terrorists and leaving them alone is such cowardice. |
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Val
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I don't think it was motiveless. The fact that it happened two days before a major election isn't just a coincidence in my opinion.
@Rep: That's cold. It's also inappropriate. If anything, the Spanish people need our support more now than ever.
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xSamhainx
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My greatest sympathies to the Spanish, they are experiencing a national trauma of the most sordid kind. I know what grief on a national scale feels like, Ive felt misty eyed seeing my flag flapping in the breeze in the hours after 9/11. Seeing someone like Mama Sam, someone who has experienced other national tragedies, weep about this just as badly. It's hard to explain, national trauma, and it has different effect on different people. Alot of radio stations have played the national anthem at noon since the attacks, and Ive cranked it up sometimes because it gives me strength. Or Ive turned it off, because I just dont need the sadness that day. It's anger, sadness, embarassment, shellshock ..... theres nothing that compares to the collective sadness of a nation. My greatest sympathies indeed.
@Republican : Rep, methinks youre being a tad rough on them. This isnt the place to nail them to the wall, as "letting the terrorists win" and such. Theyre shellshocked, and emotionally screwed up right now. Plus they have an utterly gleeful media saying "SEEEE! blah blah blah blah", imploring them to appease. What I dont get, is that we went into Iraq unilaterally right? Spain was an ally? ='.'=
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Lintra
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quote:
Originally posted by Val
I don't think it was motiveless. The fact that it happened two days before a major election isn't just a coincidence in my opinion.
Oh I am sure that had something to do with the timing. It just appears to me that a seemingly random act of war should be part of a war, not just killing for killing's sake. Is there a motive here? What are the authors of this blood bath asking for? If they get it, will they *really* not do it again?
No. To me there is no motive here. Just senseless violence for the sake of violence. I hate the part of me wants to agree that the perps should be hunted down like the enemies of civilization that they are, and I am glad I do not have to make that call, since I see no other solution.
I am just so sorry for victims, their families and friends.
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