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Rawis
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Whice character is most powerfull? I mean, not only at high level... |
Thu Jul 25, 2002 12:23 pm |
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mikelhall
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 26 Dec 2001
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Location: Greensboro, NC |
I've heard (but haven't tried myselft) that a Monk in nearly unstoppable at high levels.
But, for starters, the Barbarian is the best IMHO fighter, great HP, great feats.
For power after the first few levels, Sorceror. The ability to change spells on the fly, and raw power... Wizard is a close second when your level is a little higher. Wizards get higher power spells first and this seems to make a big difference at say lvl 11+
I'm playing a bard now. He's got Ambidexterity, Two weapon, Imp Two weapon, and a Gladiator Sword (+3 with acid dmg) and Short Sword +3. I get 4 attacks per round, plus the ability to cast sorceror spells, not to mention some thieving, and that GREAT bard song..nothing like boosting everything with a song 
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Thu Jul 25, 2002 2:16 pm |
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mDrop
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Monk is awesome in high levels, the damage they do is nice and they're virtually invulnerable to physical attacks and spells. My lvl 20 monk, equipped with a +4 ring of regeneration, left most battles uninjured. I even managed to take down an ancient dragon single-handedly, without healing once. Haven't played him in multiplayer, so I can't say how he compares to other player chars. PvP is not my cup of tea anyways 
Oh, he was pretty good to play even in lower levels too. You get cleave and things like that automaticly. Even though he isn't that resistant to damage in the start, battles are quite easy if you remember to raise your WIS high enough as monks get special AC bonus from high WIS in addition to normal DEX-bonuses.
Monk is easy to play and traps won't hurt much because of the reflex feats they gain automaticly. You also end up filthy rich because you won't have to spend money on weapons or armor, except for your gloves and robe.
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Ekim
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I didn't try to play a monk yet, but I tried a wizard for the first time and... although I had some trouble getting through levels 1 and 2, after that I don't think I ever felt threatened! Wizards are powerful...
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Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:04 pm |
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Monks are really powerfull. But so are warriors in level 20 and the best equipment. 
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Thu Jul 25, 2002 4:40 pm |
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Rawis
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Well, what i was asking is whice character is easiest to play, through the SP game, my level 12 fighter was to weak when it came to slay a dragon. 
I don't get it, i made a ranger. He sucked, what did I do wrong? He could not even make damage with the bow (at level 5), me made 1-4 damage with it, same with the sword, he missed most of the times, but when he hit he made like 4-10 damage. |
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Thu Jul 25, 2002 6:15 pm |
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EverythingXen
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Only a wizard could really slay a dragon at level 12. I didn't face one until level 16... so I don't know what you did. 
At that point my wizard yawned once, waved a hand and destroyed the dragon. All the dragons, actually. I was getting desperate to complete the game to get my review in so I said 'screw it... I'm a wizard..." and just killed them all instead of running quests or errands for them.
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Thu Jul 25, 2002 10:02 pm |
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Ekim
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quote:
Originally posted by EverythingXen
At that point my wizard yawned once, waved a hand and destroyed the dragon.
ROFL!!!
I'm sorry but you just cracked me up Xen 
Like I said, Wizards are powerful
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Thu Jul 25, 2002 11:30 pm |
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Rawis
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quote:
Originally posted by EverythingXen
Only a wizard could really slay a dragon at level 12. I didn't face one until level 16... so I don't know what you did.
At that point my wizard yawned once, waved a hand and destroyed the dragon. All the dragons, actually. I was getting desperate to complete the game to get my review in so I said 'screw it... I'm a wizard..." and just killed them all instead of running quests or errands for them.
Umm, it was the dragon in SP.  |
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Fri Jul 26, 2002 6:25 pm |
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corwin
On the Razorblade of Life
Joined: 10 Jun 2002
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My sorceror, with one level of Barbarian, for all the extra feats, etc. has been able to handle most anything. I've found bows a waste of time and weight so far, but I'm open to hearing from anyone who has had success with them.
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Kendrik
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Personally I believe it is about understanding your characters strenghts and weaknesses. With fighter types it is about making use of the various feats and magical items on offer whilst with a mage/sorcerer it is about spell selection. I wouldn't say that any one class is better as each does have weaknesses. Mages cant fall if they fail to eliminate enemies before they can get into melee range. Fighters tend to fall to magic using creatures. Rogues tend to fall as many people try to play them as fighters who can sneak. And yes even monks are vunerable as on average at high levels their protection is not as good as a fighter but they don't have the ranged devistaion of the Mages. But by know these weknesses you can plan around them. It tends not to be the class that is weak but rather the players understanding of that class.
As many people have mentioned then new multiclassing rules in 3E D&D make this a much more viable option. Personally I know my play style in games (both computer and PnP) and hence know which characters I'm best at playing. In fantasy games I play warrior types either straight fighters or Rangers or Fighter/thief somethimes even a Paladin. I always prefer dextrous characters to really strong chars. In Star Wars I play Jedi and in Shadowrun I always play a Street Samuri. With that understanding I now know how to play that type of char and that is what makes that class powerful for me.
Sorry this went on longer than I intended but you get the general jist of the post
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Sat Jul 27, 2002 12:58 pm |
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sauron38
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Well, if a mage has problems with getting into melee combat, she can always cast Tenser's Transformation, Polymorph, or Shapechange and give out some hefty close range damage, while having upwards of 3X the HP.
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Sat Jul 27, 2002 4:51 pm |
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EverythingXen
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quote:
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Originally posted by EverythingXen
Only a wizard could really slay a dragon at level 12. I didn't face one until level 16... so I don't know what you did.
At that point my wizard yawned once, waved a hand and destroyed the dragon. All the dragons, actually. I was getting desperate to complete the game to get my review in so I said 'screw it... I'm a wizard..." and just killed them all instead of running quests or errands for them.
Umm, it was the dragon in SP.
I know. But I was level 16 at the end of chapter 2... long before any sort of dragon popped up.
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Sat Jul 27, 2002 6:25 pm |
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Kendrik
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Originally posted by sauron38
Well, if a mage has problems with getting into melee combat, she can always cast Tenser's Transformation, Polymorph, or Shapechange and give out some hefty close range damage, while having upwards of 3X the HP.
That assumes you manage to get the spell cast without drawing an attack of opportunity. Mages are still vunerable to supprise attacks.
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Sun Jul 28, 2002 11:11 am |
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sauron38
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