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Consoles, not PC, are actually doomed.
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Am I right?
yes
56%
 56%  [ 13 ]
no
43%
 43%  [ 10 ]
Total Votes : 23

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Korplem
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Not to mention that DICE is constantly releaseing new free maps for bf1942.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 4:00 pm
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I did not say the xbox is better or that it will replace PC. I just stated there are reasons that PC games are not going to replace consoles anytime soon. Their are things that PCs do better(RTS, FPS, RPGs). And there are many things consoles do better. Thats why I play both.

Convenience. You cannot use voicechat on ALL your network games. Instead you have to type everything you want to say instead of talking.

How fun is it to play your PC from the couch. It sucks...I have done this...it's hard to use a mouse & keyboard when kicking back.

All my friends work at Computer shops and build PCs. I get paid to work on networks as a technician. I have a Computer Science degree. We know all this about LAN gaming, MMORPGs, etc. But, we prefer the simplicity and ease of networking with LIVE. But, like I said PC gaming is nowhere near replacing console gaming. Piracy is what kills PC gaming...PC gamers steal games left and right.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:31 pm
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Korplem
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There are voice chat programs that you can use while playing a game like Roger Wilco. I admit that it's not as good having it built in but to be honest I like having to shout at people across the room in LAN parties.

I was a pirate and I stole more console games than I could shake a stick at, dwarfing the amount of pc games I stole. Literally near a thousand console games. Although, most were outdated console games...

I don't really think that consoles will replace or be replaced by PCs. There will always be people who want the simplicity (not meant to be an insult) and ease of a console and those of us who want a multitasking game machine.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:56 pm
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OctarineDragon
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I just voted 'yes', although I don't really believe it, but I am and have always been a computer gamer and regard consoles as kid's toys. I could never get myself to accept otherwise.

Yet things are not looking well for PCs indeed. And I'm not talking about the current situation.
I've always held that computer games would be the emergent art of the 21st century, and that I believe is still true. The PC as a platform lends itself to innovation, to community building and to cheap development - these are great conditions for artists indeed. Computer games combine ALL previous media where art ever existed and even includes the viewer more strongly into itself through interaction. The possibilities are simply revolutionary. But is it really art we all want?
On the other hand, will computer games ever be the dominant entertainment? Not so likely. People generally would rather be entertained than entertain themselves. It demands participation, reflection and activity to entertain oneself. To the largest part of the working public, this is too demanding and will always be. Games to them might be nice for a short adventure, but they are not willing to invest more than a couple of hours in them, not least because there are so many other possibilities to let onself be entertained luring their attention away lest they miss something.
The only two groups of consumers with the free time to devote hours upon hours into a deeper, more demanding experience are students and old people. Students don't have a lot of money available and will go a) for what is affordable and b) , being less able to distinguish information from corporate propaganda, for anything that they are told is supposed to be cool for youths like them. Old people, of course, are set in their ways and will not pick up something alien to them so they will avoid games unless they were already into them as adults. Which for the reasons stated only a small minority will be.
This does not answer the question on whether they will play games on a PC in the future or on a console. I believe it does not matter. Most likely, networked appliances coordinated by a PC-like central unit will dominate homes in a few decades at the latest. Some might be produced by M$, others by $ony, and if you are feeling kinky, yours might be from Apple. However, none of these devices will be in any way customizable they way our PCs are now. In fact, they will likely be run from afar by the electronics company you are subscribed to, letting you just pick what entertainment you want from their selection or if you would rather let them decide, if that's more comfortable.
The question is more, will there still be cutting edge PC style games in the future or rather console style ones. If you want to play a quick game on your wallscreen in your living room it will be a console style game no matter if it is run by a win3k PC or a Sony LifeStation device! You won't need a keyboard for it since it would be bulky, most likely hand movements and a speech interface will be enough to interact with the game. Sounds intriguing? Sure, but at the same time this does not lend itself to the kind of precise, direct and deep interaction that we are used to for out pc games. It certainly will not have any editing capability. If you want to have that, you will have to lidt your butt from your sofa and access dedicated hardware that allows more control. It will be expensive, since most people won't need it at home. And whatever you do with it, you will be far more marginalized than modders were even a few years ago.

PCs will stay around for longer than any of us will witness, I'm sure. What I'm going to regret is to lose the culture I've grown up with and I now live surrounded by. I'm not the artsy type who can enjoy art just for itself, and I am simply not interested in the kinds of games consoles offer - it'd be a big step back that I can't make myself take. So what will I do? Will I go on sticking to my trusty old PC, living in the past for the rest of my life once my kinds of games are no more? I hope I won't but I kind of fear I will. Hell, look at me, I'm an editor at UltimaDot reporting of nothing but remakes of old Ultima games. Good job!

Edit: Not all is bleak, of course. What I described is just one scenario, albeit the most likely in my opinion. But PC gaming still has a chance, considering it's fanbase is a vocal and active one. To succeed as both art and entertainment, PC gaming needs a lobby much as every console has: promoting the platform and its games to anybody who will listen, anchoring them in people's heads as great and worthwhile things.
Since this is not within the monopolic interest of any one single strong corporation, this won't be easy. Developers and publishers with business interests in PC gaming, also hardwar manufacturers, would have to be convinced to lay aside their petty rivalries for a second to fund and support such a common platform (console manufacturers, of course, can just force those companies to fund their promotions). Damn, I'd be willing to pay 5 bucks more for a game every time to help fund something like this! And yet, lacking a clear corporate leadership, this would have to remain foremost a grassroots movement, requiring dedicated fans to push this initiative again and again the direction we want it to take.
Ah, I'm probably just kidding myself...
Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 12:06 am
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Roqua
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I think people are misreading my prediction. I don't think home networking will really take hold for a while. Maybe 10-20 years. But the amount of people saying they can play consoles on their couch with a big TV and surround sound are just posting without reading.

I shouldn't have done a poll probably, but the question really is when home networking is in your house, and it does a better job of being a console (through a PC home network you play while sitting on your couch playing Doom 16 on your big TV) will people still have consoles? Remember this is the future, how much simpler have PCs become since 94? Or 84?

Will people have seperate dvd players when the one in their computer can broadcast the movie you want to your living room wirelessly and easily and simply? Walking into a room and saying "lights" and having them turn on is a technolgy that is already here. Wireless networks are already here. It doesn't mean that it will be in our homes the way I describe by next Christmas, but defeinitly in 20 years or less.

@Octoruine Dragon, I agree. Games are getting dumber and dumber and shorter and shorter. But even if they're console like, if they are played off of your home netwrk they will be a PC game. I guess it really doesn't matter if you play a console game on a console now, or a PC console-like game in the future, games are turning into moronic crap. Allan Kay talks about that (in another CPU magazine article). Its called the tyranny of the masses, or the tyranny of the center. The unsophisticated masses control what is produced, that is why Backstreet boys top the charts instead of symphoney (I like neither because I am unsophisticated), and why action movies make so much more than intelligent movies (I like action), and is why computer games are being dumbed down (which is probabley the only area I am sophisticated maybe? Because it drives me nuts).

But there are still symphonies, intelligent movies, and hopefully intelligent and complex rpgs will be made that require thinking and provide a challenge.
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