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Mattias Kreku
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Originally posted by Michael C
I think many people here mix "worst game ever" with "biggest disappointment". My biggest disappointments in newer time is M&M9 and Dungeon siege, but they are no way near the worst games I ever played. I just expected so much more from those games, but I still did play them having a good time. People who mention "Soulbringer", "Diablo 2", "Revenant", "Darkstone" as the worst CRPG game ever, must have a very limited experience with CRPG games. Even none them is in my top 10 list either, there still are a lot worse games out there.


Ok, so.. This thread is about naming your worst RPG's. You just pulled out a list of RPG's that are NOT your worst RPG's.. And you don't name the ones on your "top 10 list" of bad RPG's either..? Umm.. Ok, whatever rocks your boat..

This is a longshot, but.. what the hell, you guys seems to be experts at old RPG's. I once had a friend who owned a Commodore Amiga and he bought a hyped RPG for it, but I forgot its name. It was made by a german company, had really great graphics, crappy translations and NO story. It was made in the same 3D as the Eye Of Beholder series, and all its maps were squares 16x16 (or 32x32, can't remember). Everything in it that you found was sooo exaggarated (sp?), like you could find the Black Sword Of Doom And Hell And Violence +55, and the story said stuff like "An ordinary peasant made 1 copper piece per year" and then you'd go out into the forest and find a chest with 1000 gold in it. Constantly. It didn't have any npc's either. Just boring monsters everywhere. Anyhow, THAT was the worst RPG I ever played, and if someone can accurately name that title for me you're gonna win the Nobel Prize of RPG.
Post Mon Jun 24, 2002 4:08 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Michael C
People who mention "Soulbringer", "Diablo 2", "Revenant", "Darkstone" as the worst CRPG game ever, must have a very limited experience with CRPG games.
I played about 15-20 CRPGs in my life. Several hundreds of games overall. In my experience "Revenant" is the worst game I have ever played, from the perspective that I felt most ripped off for my money (luckally I rented it rather than bought it--and I still felt cheated). It is the game I would recommend the most NOT to get. As such, in my books, it is the worst. Since it was advertised as an RPG, it made the list of the worst RPGs (the fact that most of the RPG elements in the game were not implemented in the final product adds to this classification).

But then again I guess my limited exprience doesn't qualify me to a valid opinion, eh?
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Ok I will admit to have not read though all 7 pages on this thread but the worst CRPG I ever played (even worse than POR2) is a very old game called Deamonsgate. Poor gameplay, poor graphics and terrably designed dungeons. The only plus was that it came with a VHS that introduced the story (shame the acting was so pants). Second worst (perhaps on par with POR2) was Lands of Lore 2 - that was v.poor.
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Hm, another Lands of Lore 2 hater. For some unfathomable reason that game seems to be quite polarizing - people either love* or hate it...

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Jaz:
I like Lands of Lore 1 & 2.
Did you ever try to be evil in Lol 2 ?


Mattias:
your *unknown game* could be

Legend of Faerghail

http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=623

this game looked like an enhanced Bards Tale, back in 1990 i enjoyed the german Amiga version.


other german Amiga rpgs:
Ambermoon, Amberstar - both very good games.
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i have forgotten another german rpg series: DSA "Das schwarze Auge".
The triology: "Schicksalsklinge" (="Blades of Destiny"), "Sternenschweif" (="Star-Trail"), "Schatten über Riva" (= "Shadows over Riva") was released in english by Sir-Tech under the name "Realms of Arkania".

"Blades of destiny" and "Star-Trail" were released for the Amiga.
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I think that it's worth identifying disappointment as a factor in people's dislike of CRPGs. But just because dislike is (perhaps primarily) based on disappointment doesn't mean that dislike is therefore unjustified.

It seems a lot of the complaints about Morrowind arise from disappointment. That game really was very hyped, but there were some balancing issues that meant it almost takes a certain personality type to really love it.

With Morrowind, it seems everyone was expecting every aspect of the game to be better than the best example of that aspect previously created. That has got to be over-hype! And if you are so disappointed in a game that you lose the will to play it, that has to be an allowable factor in rating it as "worst ever CRPG".

(I quite like Morrowind, by the way. But then I like just about every CRPG, including the old SSI ones (forget the name now, played it on the C64) and the original GB Pokemon!)
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(Now I'm worried about my credibility so I'll add that I played Pokemon in Japanese.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattias Kreku
quote:
Originally posted by Michael C
I think many people here mix "worst game ever" with "biggest disappointment". My biggest disappointments in newer time is M&M9 and Dungeon siege, but they are no way near the worst games I ever played. I just expected so much more from those games, but I still did play them having a good time. People who mention "Soulbringer", "Diablo 2", "Revenant", "Darkstone" as the worst CRPG game ever, must have a very limited experience with CRPG games. Even none them is in my top 10 list either, there still are a lot worse games out there.


Ok, so.. This thread is about naming your worst RPG's. You just pulled out a list of RPG's that are NOT your worst RPG's.. And you don't name the ones on your "top 10 list" of bad RPG's either..? Umm.. Ok, whatever rocks your boat.


I didn't pull out that list of RPG's from nowhere, it was all games mentioned is this thread for beeing the worst games ever. And I happens not to agree with this point of view and stated that I think that people was very disappointed with those games according to their expectations, and in frustration declare them "worst game ever".
I mentioned that the games in the list wasn't in my top 10 list of best games either, and some of them had really disappointed me too, but they are IMHO still solid games anyway!
You mention "Dungeon Siege" as your worst game ever, why??? My guess is that you where so dissappointed with it, that your mood turned to hate for this game. If we can agree on that DS is more a action-strategy game than a CRPG game, what besides that makes you say that it's the worst game so far??? I was disappointed too, that it turned out to be a RPG-light, but it's still a solid game IMHO with very nice graphic and intense battles.

quote:
Originally posted by Mattias Kreku

This is a longshot, but.. what the hell, you guys seems to be experts at old RPG's. I once had a friend who owned a Commodore Amiga and he bought a hyped RPG for it, but I forgot its name. It was made by a german company, had really great graphics, crappy translations and NO story. It was made in the same 3D as the Eye Of Beholder series, and all its maps were squares 16x16 (or 32x32, can't remember). Everything in it that you found was sooo exaggarated (sp?), like you could find the Black Sword Of Doom And Hell And Violence +55, and the story said stuff like "An ordinary peasant made 1 copper piece per year" and then you'd go out into the forest and find a chest with 1000 gold in it. Constantly. It didn't have any npc's either. Just boring monsters everywhere. Anyhow, THAT was the worst RPG I ever played, and if someone can accurately name that title for me you're gonna win the Nobel Prize of RPG.


Making an opposite argument is not making us experts, just interested in a sober discussion!
I'm sorry, but I haven't heard about this game you describe, but your arguments this time, could qualify this game for one of the worst games, if they really are that bad as you describe them.[/i]
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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Michael C
People who mention "Soulbringer", "Diablo 2", "Revenant", "Darkstone" as the worst CRPG game ever, must have a very limited experience with CRPG games.
I played about 15-20 CRPGs in my life. Several hundreds of games overall. In my experience "Revenant" is the worst game I have ever played, from the perspective that I felt most ripped off for my money (luckally I rented it rather than bought it--and I still felt cheated). It is the game I would recommend the most NOT to get. As such, in my books, it is the worst. Since it was advertised as an RPG, it made the list of the worst RPGs (the fact that most of the RPG elements in the game were not implemented in the final product adds to this classification).

But then again I guess my limited exprience doesn't qualify me to a valid opinion, eh?


Hehe MoonDragon, ofcourse you qualify to a valid opinion, everyone does!
I just make an opposite opinion, but it doesn't make yours more or less valid, just questioned by mine.
I have appearantly played more CRPG's than you do, and probably a lot more old CRPG games, but actually, my worst CRPG game for now is the relative new "Arcetera" as i I wrote in an earlier post.
Revenant: Okay, you started some arguments, why this game was the worst CRPG for you. I consider this as a CRPG-light game with it's main focus on action oriented battles. Much like, Darkstone and Nox. Revenant's graphic was okay for the time of it's release, and the different attack/defense moves were maybe a bit difficult to handle in the beginning, but looked cool when you got better. Your character leveled up without to many choises for development, and the game was quite linear. The monsters were quite different and needed different approaches. Even if it's a CRPG-light it still contained: NPC's to talk to, item/equipment/merchants, quests, character development, story, diverse enviroments. Some of these RPG elements are indeed very light, but I don't think they are so much worse than other similar games!
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Mattias Kreku
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quote:
Originally posted by Michael C
You mention "Dungeon Siege" as your worst game ever, why??? My guess is that you where so dissappointed with it, that your mood turned to hate for this game. If we can agree on that DS is more a action-strategy game than a CRPG game, what besides that makes you say that it's the worst game so far??? I was disappointed too, that it turned out to be a RPG-light, but it's still a solid game IMHO with very nice graphic and intense battles.


Well, I was very disappointed with it. It was an expensive game that I uninstalled in disgust after only a few days of playing. But that wasn't the main reason why I hate it so much. It is extremely repetitive, extremely linear and its npc's are extremely braindead. It's all a matter of taste and I happen to like diversity, non-linearity and interesting npc's. It's also not a real RPG. Not even a light RPG. And how come everyone says the graphics is so good? I thought it was cluttered and impractical (with all those transparent trees blocking your view all the time) and repetitive. Most games have something going for them. This one had NOTHING I liked so to me it's the worst game I've played.. in a very long time. I might have forgotten a few others that were equally bad.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattias Kreku
Well, I was very disappointed with it. It was an expensive game that I uninstalled in disgust after only a few days of playing. But that wasn't the main reason why I hate it so much. It is extremely repetitive, extremely linear and its npc's are extremely braindead. It's all a matter of taste and I happen to like diversity, non-linearity and interesting npc's. It's also not a real RPG. Not even a light RPG. And how come everyone says the graphics is so good? I thought it was cluttered and impractical (with all those transparent trees blocking your view all the time) and repetitive. Most games have something going for them. This one had NOTHING I liked so to me it's the worst game I've played.. in a very long time. I might have forgotten a few others that were equally bad.


Extremely repetitive: Well, yes most of the game is about battling bad guys, but I thought they were calling for many different approaches depending on your enemies forces (At least later in the game). Now and then you did enter towns or communities where you could do some RPG-stuff, like talking to NPC's, recruit new characters or a mule, trade items, and get new quests.
Graphics: Sure, taste is hard to discuss, but I found the graphics quite interesting regarding diversity in enviroments. The forrests, hills, swamp, plains,mines,crypts,towns were quite well made IMHO. They really did catch the mood for the different enviroments. Agreed the trees/walls were sometimes disturbing your views, but not that big a problem for me.
NPC's: Yep very anonymous, and impersonal boring characters too, but I think it's a trend among those hack'n slash CRPG-light games like Diablo 2, Darkstone, Nox, Revenant. But okay that don't make it better that other games do the same.
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HolyWarrior, I was very surprised to see your comment about decaying weapons. That's quite a common feature in RPGs. Weapons decay and need repair in Diablo and Diablo 2, and in Might and Magic as well. I'm pretty sure they could decay in Darkstone. Also in Morrowind.

On the subject of lousy RPGS . . . here's how weird I am: I LIKED Return to Krondor!! I think the reason is that my background is in adventure games, and that game has a very good story and is basically an adventure game with very linear and limited RPG elements. I found it quite entertaining.

I consider Arcatera unfinished and unplayable. Pity, I thought it had promise.

About twenty hours into Nox -- I just pushed myself back from the computer and said, "Gee! I don't give a damn! I'm uninstalling this game right now!"
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Wow, I like alot of these "worst rpg's".
I thought Soulbringer was awesome, the second time I installed it. I had a hard time trying to not play it.
Betrayal in Antara was good, Betrayal at Krondor was WAYYY better but I still liked BiA.
Ultima IX, I liked this game, somewhat. I was a HUGE disapointment and was a horrible way to end the series but luckily it ran quite good on my machine when I got it.

For me the worst RPG I ever played was..... Ummm I'm not sure. I didn't like BG or Diablo. Ohhh I know, Septerra Core, I HATED that monsters respawned EVERY DAMN time I left a map. GRRR That eventually made me quit playing it altogether. Games should do respawns as sort of a mix of M&M VI, how they respawned after a certain amount of time, and W&W, how they just respawn randomly. They should respawn randomly after a random amount of time.
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattias Kreku
quote:
Originally posted by Michael C
I think many people here mix "worst game ever" with "biggest disappointment". My biggest disappointments in newer time is M&M9 and Dungeon siege, but they are no way near the worst games I ever played. I just expected so much more from those games, but I still did play them having a good time. People who mention "Soulbringer", "Diablo 2", "Revenant", "Darkstone" as the worst CRPG game ever, must have a very limited experience with CRPG games. Even none them is in my top 10 list either, there still are a lot worse games out there.


Ok, so.. This thread is about naming your worst RPG's. You just pulled out a list of RPG's that are NOT your worst RPG's.. And you don't name the ones on your "top 10 list" of bad RPG's either..? Umm.. Ok, whatever rocks your boat..

This is a longshot, but.. what the hell, you guys seems to be experts at old RPG's. I once had a friend who owned a Commodore Amiga and he bought a hyped RPG for it, but I forgot its name. It was made by a german company, had really great graphics, crappy translations and NO story. It was made in the same 3D as the Eye Of Beholder series, and all its maps were squares 16x16 (or 32x32, can't remember). Everything in it that you found was sooo exaggarated (sp?), like you could find the Black Sword Of Doom And Hell And Violence +55, and the story said stuff like "An ordinary peasant made 1 copper piece per year" and then you'd go out into the forest and find a chest with 1000 gold in it. Constantly. It didn't have any npc's either. Just boring monsters everywhere. Anyhow, THAT was the worst RPG I ever played, and if someone can accurately name that title for me you're gonna win the Nobel Prize of RPG.


I'm sorry to resurrect such an old topic, but i'm sure this game was Legends Of Valour. I don't know if it was designed by germans, but i do know that it was very hyped and we had to play in a stamp-size window, otherwise it would be too slow. It was bad, mostly because of its pace, because it had some cool features. I want my nobel prize
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