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What's the purposse of our life
To raise a family or to have money
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To enjoy while I steel can before I die
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Other write here.
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Amelia
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I think you are putting words in his mouth.
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Post Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:04 am
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And I think if my wife behaved in that manner I'd leave her.

That was the most hyperbolic answer I have ever read. Of course that's not how I would have acted. I would have been shocked, then outraged, and at the least slammed the door. AFTER I chewed him out at maximum volume.

Jealousy? No. Righteous indignation based on the violation of implied social codes (you don't knock on someones door and ask to have sex with their wife). Absolutely.

The response I would want in my wife would also be a slam of the door and I don't think it would be too much to expect.

I understand (and disagree with) the point you were trying to make... exaggerated as it was... but don't you DARE ever try and personalize it ever again.

The closest thing to what I am saying is not God being like Robert... but God being like ME. If he honestly cared about people worshipping other beings he'd do something about it... yell and slam the door.

Why not? He's done it before. If it truly mattered to Him he could destroy every non-believer's church and property with less than a thought. If we had grown as immoral as the first civilization he could deliver another flood, or destroy the planet with an asteroid and begin again.

The fact that He hasn't lends credence to my 'forgiving mother' arguement... not your 'jealous wife'.

He's all powerful... He doesn't need us to stand up for Him.
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Post Sat Aug 28, 2004 3:53 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by EverythingXen
The closest thing to what I am saying is not God being like Robert... but God being like ME. If he honestly cared about people worshipping other beings he'd do something about it... yell and slam the door.

How do you know he's not doing it? Be more observant a little bit. He might even be slamming the door at you.
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Because I still have a conscience. If God had slammed the door on me then I wouldn't have a voice that told me right from wrong. I'd be a serial killer, mass murderer, rapist, child molester, or any other number of things.

God to me has always been the source of all that is good in the world... including such things as conscience.
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Post Sun Aug 29, 2004 6:14 pm
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Good, bad? words without a real meaning, Not god decides what is good or bad but society. Good: behaviour accepted by society. Bad: behaviour not accepted by society. So god doesn't has any thing to do with that. And someone who doesn't believe in a god and is educated by non-believing parents? if it is god who says what is good or wrong how does that family knows what is good or wrong? only because society dictates what is go or wrong
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quote:
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Good: behaviour accepted by society. Bad: behaviour not accepted by society.


So, jumping on the bandwagon is good after all... I see.
Post Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:28 pm
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well jah jumping on the bandwagon is "good" because than your one of the "normal" ones, who act "good and righteious" but it also means you need to be as lave of society whith out an own opinion or free will because too much of that and you are behaving badly or you are maybe even being "abnormal" and belong to "one of the freaks of society"
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quote:
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Good answer!
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Post Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:02 pm
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Some many points to cover.
1. The usefulness of hyperbole
The true laws of nature and human nature hold up under extreme circumstances. For example, the Theory of Relativity only differs from Newton's Laws of Motion when the measurements are carried on to hyperbolic proportions. I find that when you truly want to understand a natural law look at it under the most extreme circumstances and it will break down if it is faulty, it will hold up if it is accurate.
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I understand (and disagree with) the point you were trying to make... exaggerated as it was... but don't you DARE ever try and personalize it ever again.
I should note here that I only say what is necessary to get the point across. I did not and do not want to inflame or insult anyone, although I figured that the skit might strike a nerve, since most men can not visualize their wife cheating without being angered. I will continue to say what I must in order to get the point across as unoffensively as possible. If you are a moderator and you want to kick me off the site, or limit my post count you have the power to do that (I think it would be an abuse of power, since I did not insult, or curse you and I only elaborated on statements you made), but you don't have the power to intimidate me and make me change what I say, especially when we are within the topic. The skit was the only way I knew that would get the point across (That the withholding of all wrath under such blatant disrespect is not reasonable and that it is not a frailty that someone deliver punishment , if the punishment is reasonable and justified.) You may have been insulted, if so, it was indirect and unavoidable.

To recap (This is the last paragraph I will say on this matter.) If you were insulted, sorry I couldn't avoid it. I will not be intimidate into not getting my point across. I will not say any more in this thread on my freedom of speech, as it is off-topic, inflammatory, and a waste of time and bandwith. If you have the power and kick me, I will still say what I want, wherever I am. The End.

The skit did get my point across. Furthermore, compared to the way we treat God, (even those of us who believe in him) the above example is not a hyperbole. God has done far more for us than any man has or can do for his wife, we owe him far more respect than any woman owes her husband. God himself is a hyperbole. We consistently treat him worse than Robert's wife treats Robert. There will be punishment for this.

2. Jealousy
Xen has agreed with my point on jealously (albeit begrudgingly) that certain behaviors commonly referred to as jealously are not the insecure emotions he refers to:
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Jealousy? No. Righteous indignation based on the violation of implied social codes (you don't knock on someones door and ask to have sex with their wife). Absolutely.


I did not put any words into anyone's mouth. I said...
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Some other man likes her and wants to spend time with her. I won't allow that, because I am jealous . I am her husband. I deserve her affections; he doesn't. If she should spend time with him in spite of my objections, she will incur my wrath, because I am jealous ...Two different emotions but the same word. Perhaps it should be translated differently.
He responded...
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As for the jealousy thing... nosir, I don't buy it. If another man is interested in my wife (it happened when I was married) I will not be jealous. I will trust her to not be interested back...
Such a man would never get to propose this lunacy to his wife because he would become reasonably "jealous" and prevent the contact (kick him out). I knew he did not mean it like he said it, and I elaborated his disagreement in a skit that I knew that he would be forced to disagree with.

God is merciful, and God is forgiving. But to say that God will accept such unfaithfulness and disrespect forever, and not issue any punishment, even in the afterlife; is to say that he is like "Robert" in my skit, that is, you can walk all over him and get away with it. God is not like that(Robert). Also, to say that, if God does not immediately destroy all who worship others without even giving them a chance to repent, then people can "walk all over him" is to say that God is without reason. That argument is saying that he must be on one extreme or the other; he must be either a spineless wimp, who never punishes disrespect; or he must be an unforgiving, unmerciful executioner, who never even gives people a chance to repent. God is neither. He is not spinless, he will punish those who never repent and ask his forgiveness; and God is merciful, he gives you your whole life to repent.

P.S.
Kiwi, I think that by the term "slamming the door" you meant God punishes. That is correct. I think that Xen took that to mean "God will cut off all contact and blessings even conscience," that is not correct. God does not cut off all contact with us, we cut off contact with him.

Conan, it's been a while, glad to see you back.
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Post Mon Aug 30, 2004 10:35 pm
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I can't think of a greater insult than to even mention my moderatorship in a discussion in a fashion that implied that I would ever even conceive of censoring you for speaking your opinion in an open forum. It had no role in the discussion, no bearing on any outcome, and lent no weight to your position. If you didn't insult me personally before you did now. I am not angry -- I am insulted.

I told you to not personalize arguements or examples as a person not as an authority. It is as much my right to object as it is yours to speak.

Yes I mean slamming the door as cessassion of all contact. You do not grab the annoying door to door salesman and turn him over your knee for wasting your valuable time (punishment); you shut the door (denial of interaction).

In context of your Robert example a slammed door is not meant to punish for transgression ... it is meant to make your position on further contact over the matter quite clear. In truth I would also contact the police and get an restraining order issued because a man who acted thusly I would feel I could not trust.
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Post Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:54 am
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God is merciful, and God is forgiving.?? ow my god what did humanity did wrong according to him that he punishes us so sincere? only look at the last 100 years: 2 world wars and other wars going on everywhere. We will all repent? and how will he make the people repent that turned their back to beliefs completely? afterlife sentenced to hell? doesn't fear me. Been there already this lifetime and I don't belief in life after death. and no one can prove the existence of it. it is just wishfull thinking to be able to not make the same mistakes again. but death is the end of your existence in every way
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I feel sorry for you, Titus. I didn't realize you had no limbs, were dying from a terminal illness, had no friends or family ever in your entire life, were blind, deaf, and mute, and were subjected to torture by honey and fire ants all day, every day.

It is only when you are able to say with conviction 'It can't get any worse without killing me' that you are living in Hell.

Wars have raged CONSTANTLY since the beginning of civilization. The 20th century did nothing more than introduce better ways to realize they were happening and a way to destroy all life on earth. Despite that life has endured and technology/society has advanced.

If there is no afterlife and no Hell and you want to make your own life Hell to compensate that's your choice. I will maintain that any world where a baby can laugh has redeeming qualities.
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quote:
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God is merciful, and God is forgiving.?? ow my god what did humanity did wrong according to him that he punishes us so sincere? only look at the last 100 years: 2 world wars and other wars going on everywhere. We will all repent? and how will he make the people repent that turned their back to beliefs completely? afterlife sentenced to hell? doesn't fear me. Been there already this lifetime and I don't belief in life after death. and no one can prove the existence of it. it is just wishfull thinking to be able to not make the same mistakes again. but death is the end of your existence in every way


I would be very surprised if the number of deaths in the last 100 years due to war and illness was greater on a per capita basis, than in the past. The world population at the time of WW2 was what, 2.5 billion? How many war time casualties? 40 million over 6 years? That works out to less than 0.3% ... and that was at the hieght of killing (WW2 was much more destructive of human life than WWI).

The rest of the time the world has seen an unparrelled increase in the standard of living, and life expectancy. With anti biotics and vastly increased farming techniques the planet is groaning beneath a crush of humanity that it could NEVER have sustained 200 years ago. So what makes this god of yours so insensitive? The fact that humanity is too blinking stupid to control its own growth is no fault of any god that I am aware of.
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