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SilkenKidden
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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there were a few things I didn't do.
Although I saw the werechicken and read a chicken book (not named The Great Chicken Book) I didn't know how I was to know the chicken recipe. It wasn't in the chicken book I read. In addition, I didn't want to kill the dragon or the lady in the bar. Now that I've officially finished the game I will go back and watch Inut explode.
How does one officially learn the recipe?
Do I have to kill the dragon to get a second egg?
Do I have to kill the girl in the bar? (Will a force field hold her off?)
Is there anyway to do this quest without violence?
I didn't rob the bank either. The only time Gary was ever in his house was when the city was under attack and he wouldn't open his door then. Again, I didn't know why I should rob the bank or think he and Alicia had a thing going. Maybe I missed some conversation. I don't have thieving skills and I certainly don't want to murder Gary and Alicia.
Is there any way to do this quest without violence?
The end story was great. But I didn't hear the queen say 'Clarissa', I got the name from the walkthrough.
Was Clarissa ever mentioned in anyway previously? Can we find out more about her? I hope she is in the next game! The ending almost made a promise that she would be.
If I go back to visit the king before fighting Akbaa but after he and Alia are re-united will I get more of the story or no dialog at all?
Can I find and talk to Alia after the end scene with dad?
I'll try to find the answers to some of these now 
All in all, this was a great game! 
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Cm
Sentinel of Light
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As for the recipe, I don't remember getting it in the game, but if it is there it is in the library at the castle or the snake ladies library. I did have the walkthrough, so I don't remember for sure. You can steal more than one dragon egg and not kill the beast. You just need telekenesis scrolls or be able to cast it. The problem I had was the little stinker kept casting a freeze spell on me as I tried to leave. It would no sooner wear off for a few steps then he hit me with it again. I was almost an hour getting out of that level with the second egg. I just went back and killed him later so I could get around that level faster. The girl in the bar will have to go. I read someone say you could ignore her, but every time I tried that she got help from the others in the bar, and I had to do them all in anyway. You can rob Gary and Alicia of their keys by using the confuse spell on them, but the trick is catching them alone. Gary is at home for a short time early in the game, and Alicia is easy enough to catch on the stairs. But timing is the key. I never succeeded in not killing Gary for one reason or another. He always turned up in the wrong place and time on me. Clarissa is not mentioned before the end, and I don't remember her name being said in the game itself. After that end scene, go search the whole of Arx. It will be interesting for you. I did a complete walkthrough of the whole place, just before going in to kill Akbaa. It was different. See what you think. Enjoyed the game so much that now after having finished it four or five times and quit for a few months, I've started again. Plan to try all new attacks this time. I agree, it's one of the best.  
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Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:46 pm |
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SilkenKidden
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Thanks. I'll do as you suggest and go tour the town before killing Akbaa. BTW, I read somewhere that one person managed to open a door to the surface world. Of course, he advises doing a save before that. Do you know where the door is?
During that tour I'll go get the extra egg from the dragon. I'm good at telekinesis. I did try fighting him at one point but gave up and restored to before the attempt. I really didn't want to go through with the fight anyway. I like the idea of stealing the egg.
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Originally posted by cmckj50
As for the recipe, I don't remember getting it in the game, but if it is there it is in the library at the castle or the snake ladies library. I did have the walkthrough, so I don't remember for sure. You can steal more than one dragon egg and not kill the beast. You just need telekenesis scrolls or be able to cast it. The problem I had was the little stinker kept casting a freeze spell on me as I tried to leave. It would no sooner wear off for a few steps then he hit me with it again. I was almost an hour getting out of that level with the second egg. I just went back and killed him later so I could get around that level faster. The girl in the bar will have to go. I read someone say you could ignore her, but every time I tried that she got help from the others in the bar, and I had to do them all in anyway. You can rob Gary and Alicia of their keys by using the confuse spell on them, but the trick is catching them alone. Gary is at home for a short time early in the game, and Alicia is easy enough to catch on the stairs. But timing is the key. I never succeeded in not killing Gary for one reason or another. He always turned up in the wrong place and time on me. Clarissa is not mentioned before the end, and I don't remember her name being said in the game itself. After that end scene, go search the whole of Arx. It will be interesting for you. I did a complete walkthrough of the whole place, just before going in to kill Akbaa. It was different. See what you think. Enjoyed the game so much that now after having finished it four or five times and quit for a few months, I've started again. Plan to try all new attacks this time. I agree, it's one of the best.
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Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:58 pm |
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SilkenKidden
Tempered Warlord
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I've toured the city but I don't see much different. When I talk to the king he answers, but I can't hear what he says. That has been going on for a while now.
From reading notes on the board here, I've found out that the door to the outside is near the turnoff to the bar. But I have to kille the king to get the key. Kill, kill, kill. Why did the developers require so much killing for these miniquests?
I can't get Gary's key. He's still in the cage at the bank. I'm not high enough in stealth to pickpocket and don't know how to do it anyway. I was looking for instructions on pickpocketing when i found out about the door to the outter world.
I did finally talk to Alicia and she tells me how rich Gary is. Also how kind, etc., and how much she loves him. That does give me enough info to think I might investigate her pad and his. I'll go back and try lockpicking his door after getting to level 10.
Oh yes, did you ever fool around with those little green charms you get from the cheat treasure at the beginning of the game? You can get to any level that way and also into a test mode. I wonder what happens in test mode. I'll try exploring in that mode.
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Originally posted by cmckj50
As for the recipe, I don't remember getting it in the game, but if it is there it is in the library at the castle or the snake ladies library. I did have the walkthrough, so I don't remember for sure. You can steal more than one dragon egg and not kill the beast. You just need telekenesis scrolls or be able to cast it. The problem I had was the little stinker kept casting a freeze spell on me as I tried to leave. It would no sooner wear off for a few steps then he hit me with it again. I was almost an hour getting out of that level with the second egg. I just went back and killed him later so I could get around that level faster. The girl in the bar will have to go. I read someone say you could ignore her, but every time I tried that she got help from the others in the bar, and I had to do them all in anyway. You can rob Gary and Alicia of their keys by using the confuse spell on them, but the trick is catching them alone. Gary is at home for a short time early in the game, and Alicia is easy enough to catch on the stairs. But timing is the key. I never succeeded in not killing Gary for one reason or another. He always turned up in the wrong place and time on me. Clarissa is not mentioned before the end, and I don't remember her name being said in the game itself. After that end scene, go search the whole of Arx. It will be interesting for you. I did a complete walkthrough of the whole place, just before going in to kill Akbaa. It was different. See what you think. Enjoyed the game so much that now after having finished it four or five times and quit for a few months, I've started again. Plan to try all new attacks this time. I agree, it's one of the best.
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Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:58 pm |
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SilkenKidden
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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I was able to ignore the bartender and make the chicken potion. By that point I had all the ingredients and had seen the werechiccken.
Did you talk to the bartender earlier in the game. She thinks my character is flirting with her and she flirts back. Perhaps you have to flrt with her a bit.
I got into Alicia's room with lockpick but I can't open Gary's door. I don't think I'll ever catch him outside the tellers cage at the bank.
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Originally posted by cmckj50
As for the recipe, I don't remember getting it in the game, but if it is there it is in the library at the castle or the snake ladies library. I did have the walkthrough, so I don't remember for sure. You can steal more than one dragon egg and not kill the beast. You just need telekenesis scrolls or be able to cast it. The problem I had was the little stinker kept casting a freeze spell on me as I tried to leave. It would no sooner wear off for a few steps then he hit me with it again. I was almost an hour getting out of that level with the second egg. I just went back and killed him later so I could get around that level faster. The girl in the bar will have to go. I read someone say you could ignore her, but every time I tried that she got help from the others in the bar, and I had to do them all in anyway. You can rob Gary and Alicia of their keys by using the confuse spell on them, but the trick is catching them alone. Gary is at home for a short time early in the game, and Alicia is easy enough to catch on the stairs. But timing is the key. I never succeeded in not killing Gary for one reason or another. He always turned up in the wrong place and time on me. Clarissa is not mentioned before the end, and I don't remember her name being said in the game itself. After that end scene, go search the whole of Arx. It will be interesting for you. I did a complete walkthrough of the whole place, just before going in to kill Akbaa. It was different. See what you think. Enjoyed the game so much that now after having finished it four or five times and quit for a few months, I've started again. Plan to try all new attacks this time. I agree, it's one of the best.
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Sat Jul 26, 2003 12:32 am |
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Cm
Sentinel of Light
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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Location: Missouri USA |
I opened the door to the outside. You have to kill the king for the key, but as a fun thing after killing Akbaa, do it. Just be sure to save before killing Akbaa as there is no return from that point. What I did was solve the five stone puzzle to get to Akbaa and then went exploring. Did you try it that way? Let me know. I don't want to spoil the effect for you. I think the game is made so some things can only be done if you can kill or steal everything from everyone, and you have to have the puzzle of the stones done first. Then turn and leave before entering the room Akbaa is in and do the stuff. It's more for fun to see the rest of the stuff. If you want to pickpocket people you have to have a very high stealth level and then just bump into them, you will see a symbol of their backpack on the lower Left hand of the screen ( I think it was left) that you click on and it opens their inventory for you to take what you want. If they notice, you must fight them and anyone else around them can notice you doing it as well. That's where the confuse spell comes in handy. Cast it on everyone you can see, and the theft goes unnoticed. Have fun. I did.
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Sat Jul 26, 2003 5:29 pm |
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SilkenKidden
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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I just killed Akbaa again. This could get to be a habit. 
I have a save just before entering the room where he is performing the ritual and another just after the cut scene there but just before I stab him with the meteor sword. After that you are there for the duration. I went exploring after the first save, but not much after viewing the cut scene. Is it any different? It looks the same so far. Maria is still selling her few poor things.
I did go outside after having killed the king. I hated my character for having done that. I couldn't wait to watch him die by opening the door to the outside world. I ran there in a hurry and hadn't taken the right key. Since I refused to save with that sin on my soul, I had to go all the way back to the king and get the other key he had on him. I did view his room too. The room is nice and when you are looting the king's dead body, even the background of the "treasure chest" is royal. What grisley programmers thought all that up. Actually I did the king sojourn with a save from quite a while ago, before enchanting the weapon and going to the reunion. I wonder what would happen if you went down towards the back of level 4 when the king was already dead, not having met his daughter. I guess you'd miss that whole sequence and never understand the story.
I never did get to do the Gary/Alicia thing. But I fed the dog, thanks to someone here, and turned the werechicken into a man and then watched him explode. I played save/restore with that one and got the bow, which I could then enchant with garlic for some added dex. I used that bow to kill Akbaa this last time. The first time I was using another 30 proj. bow, but Inut's bow is quite a lot better. It shoots fireballs! I wish I had had that early in the game.
Now I'm looking to see if there is any other little thing I can do before removing the game from my disk and stowing it away until and add-on comes out (any possiblity)? It's hard to tear myself away from it.
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Originally posted by cmckj50
I opened the door to the outside. You have to kill the king for the key, but as a fun thing after killing Akbaa, do it. Just be sure to save before killing Akbaa as there is no return from that point. What I did was solve the five stone puzzle to get to Akbaa and then went exploring. Did you try it that way? Let me know. I don't want to spoil the effect for you. I think the game is made so some things can only be done if you can kill or steal everything from everyone, and you have to have the puzzle of the stones done first. Then turn and leave before entering the room Akbaa is in and do the stuff. It's more for fun to see the rest of the stuff. If you want to pickpocket people you have to have a very high stealth level and then just bump into them, you will see a symbol of their backpack on the lower Left hand of the screen ( I think it was left) that you click on and it opens their inventory for you to take what you want. If they notice, you must fight them and anyone else around them can notice you doing it as well. That's where the confuse spell comes in handy. Cast it on everyone you can see, and the theft goes unnoticed. Have fun. I did.
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Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:18 am |
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Cm
Sentinel of Light
Joined: 26 Jan 2003
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Location: Missouri USA |
When I checked out all the levels after opening the door to kill Akbaa, I found the Castle had only the king left in it. (And his wizard) but everyone else was gone. Same with the snake ladies and trolls, all gone and no one left in the rebel camp either. I wondered where they could be, but no answer. Carlos was in jail for his crimes. Then I walked out that door and you know the rest. There really is nothing more to do in the game, provided you have levitated all over. Did you find the little alcove above the water in the troll section? I also had fun levitaing in the city. Neat view of the place. Just be careful of falling into computer nowhere land. Total blackness, no way out, and no way back if you go to far in. Only other thing you can do is go back and play again and do things in different order. If you try to rob the bank as soon as possible, and increase stealth and dexterity first, some of the responses you get are different from the NPC's. I can't wait for AII to come out. 
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Sun Jul 27, 2003 10:17 pm |
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Warmskin
Keeper of the Gates
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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[quote="SilkenKidden"]
I did go outside after having killed the king. I hated my character for having done that. I couldn't wait to watch him die by opening the door to the outside world. I ran there in a hurry and hadn't taken the right key. Since I refused to save with that sin on my soul, I had to go all the way back to the king and get the other key he had on him. I did view his room too. The room is nice and when you are looting the king's dead body, even the background of the "treasure chest" is royal. What grisley programmers thought all that up.
Take this in the way it's meant, OK? I don't mean to offend, but..... It's Just A Game! What's the difference if you kill the king? Actually, I *really enjoyed* killing him because of his bad acting.  No, come to think of it, killing his magician was even more fun!  I won't have to listen to them say 'Go, Am Shagar, go and destroy the meteor, kill Akbaa, etc. blah blah blah, while we stay safe and warm here in the castle and catch up on our acting lessons. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Don't take this wrong, I really loved this game. It had so much going for it, it's incredible. Now, if they'll just hire some actual actors (there must be some college troop nearby who would work cheap), Let us annotate the map, and get rid of the really fiendish puzzles that make the game impossible to play w/o a hint guide, then I'll be first in line for the sequel! Again, if my tone comes off any way other than *friendly*, I apologize. |
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Mon Jul 28, 2003 8:11 pm |
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SilkenKidden
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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No problem. I didn't take your criticism as criticism:) I guess it's just part of the role playing to identify with my character. I didn't like "me" much when I killed a few pigs for sustenance before I installed the patch and he eating everything I could find for him.
Silly, but I've got a weird code for these games.
I can use a cheat like the one the programmers built into the game with the chair and the bone, but not one to up my stats through a 3rd party hack.
I can steal happily if I'm playing a thief but I won't have a mage or fighter steal unless there is no other way at all to solve a quest - never just to get money or items.
I can kill ugly creatures meant to be killed as part of game play, but I won't kill friendly NPCs or animals. If it doesn't attack I don't want to kill it. (This cost me quite a headache in NWN when I didn't kill a dwarf who, unbeknownst to me, had a crucial item I needed, and to whom I didn't have access after finishing that segment!)
I didn't sit around and make up these rules for myself and then decided to stick with them. I simply would not enjoy the game if I played otherwise. So, to say "It's just a game" doesn't mean I can do ugly things I don't like. That would make it ugly and not a game at all.
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Originally posted by SilkenKidden
I did go outside after having killed the king. I hated my character for having done that. I couldn't wait to watch him die by opening the door to the outside world. I ran there in a hurry and hadn't taken the right key. Since I refused to save with that sin on my soul, I had to go all the way back to the king and get the other key he had on him. I did view his room too. The room is nice and when you are looting the king's dead body, even the background of the "treasure chest" is royal. What grisley programmers thought all that up.
Take this in the way it's meant, OK? I don't mean to offend, but..... It's Just A Game! What's the difference if you kill the king? Actually, I *really enjoyed* killing him because of his bad acting. No, come to think of it, killing his magician was even more fun! I won't have to listen to them say 'Go, Am Shagar, go and destroy the meteor, kill Akbaa, etc. blah blah blah, while we stay safe and warm here in the castle and catch up on our acting lessons. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Don't take this wrong, I really loved this game. It had so much going for it, it's incredible. Now, if they'll just hire some actual actors (there must be some college troop nearby who would work cheap), Let us annotate the map, and get rid of the really fiendish puzzles that make the game impossible to play w/o a hint guide, then I'll be first in line for the sequel! Again, if my tone comes off any way other than *friendly*, I apologize.
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Warmskin
Keeper of the Gates
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[quote="SilkenKidden"]No problem. I didn't take your criticism as criticism:) I guess it's just part of the role playing to identify with my character. I didn't like "me" much when I killed a few pigs for sustenance before I installed the patch and he eating everything I could find for him.
Silly, but I've got a weird code for these games.
I can use a cheat like the one the programmers built into the game with the chair and the bone, but not one to up my stats through a 3rd party hack.
I can steal happily if I'm playing a thief but I won't have a mage or fighter steal unless there is no other way at all to solve a quest - never just to get money or items.
I can kill ugly creatures meant to be killed as part of game play, but I won't kill friendly NPCs or animals. If it doesn't attack I don't want to kill it. (This cost me quite a headache in NWN when I didn't kill a dwarf who, unbeknownst to me, had a crucial item I needed, and to whom I didn't have access after finishing that segment!)
I didn't sit around and make up these rules for myself and then decided to stick with them. I simply would not enjoy the game if I played otherwise. So, to say "It's just a game" doesn't mean I can do ugly things I don't like. That would make it ugly and not a game at all.
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Originally posted by SilkenKidden
I did go outside after having killed the king. I hated my character for having done that. I couldn't wait to watch him die by opening the door to the outside world. I ran there in a hurry and hadn't taken the right key. Since I refused to save with that sin on my soul, I had to go all the way back to the king and get the other key he had on him. I did view his room too. The room is nice and when you are looting the king's dead body, even the background of the "treasure chest" is royal. What grisley programmers thought all that up.
Take this in the way it's meant, OK? I don't mean to offend, but..... It's Just A Game! What's the difference if you kill the king? Actually, I *really enjoyed* killing him because of his bad acting. No, come to think of it, killing his magician was even more fun! I won't have to listen to them say 'Go, Am Shagar, go and destroy the meteor, kill Akbaa, etc. blah blah blah, while we stay safe and warm here in the castle and catch up on our acting lessons. Sorry, I couldn't resist. Don't take this wrong, I really loved this game. It had so much going for it, it's incredible. Now, if they'll just hire some actual actors (there must be some college troop nearby who would work cheap), Let us annotate the map, and get rid of the really fiendish puzzles that make the game impossible to play w/o a hint guide, then I'll be first in line for the sequel! Again, if my tone comes off any way other than *friendly*, I apologize.
Yes, I pretty much agree with you and actually I play most RPGs as you do (the good guy/girl). What I did was go back and do all these things (killing, using cheats, etc.) *after* I finished the game. Somehow, it made it OK... But, killing the king's magician (whatever his name was) sure did feel good. Standing over his lifeless body, knowing that I'd never have to hear him deliver his lines again gave me a strange feeling of satisfaction. If his character is reprised in the sequel, please let them use another 'actor'. |
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