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Jaz
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Originally posted by elkston
had it been released only in English would this have hampered its German sales?
Yes, it would have hampered sales on the local market which, as has already been mentioned, is the biggest games market in Europe. Although many Germans (and Austrians/Swiss/etc.) know their English, English language game versions are not mass market compatible. Here you'll hardly find a game - no matter where it's from - that hasn't been published in a German language version. Games which haven't been translated are for hardcore gamers only, and hardcore gamers are just a minority.
So here a local company planning on serving the huge local market without doing a local language version will commit commercial suicide, UNLESS they created the game for an international publisher/distributor in the first place.
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Bartacus
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Originally posted by Jaz
German in the wider sense is spoken in seven European countries I can think of right now (in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Luxemburg, a small part of France and a small part of Belgium), but I don't know if that makes it the most widespread language. What is a fact, however, is that the German language games market is the biggest in Europe.
At Whailor: Jaz said the largest game market for Europe, not the most widely spread language. And btw, English ain't used all over Europe and I would whish you good luck if you go to a Spannish town (not the coast region).
I don't mind a game comming out first in the native language. I think it's even good: people have to have some pride, you know. I also do think that the Gothic's could have been published in English sooner. But it's not PB fault, but the publishers. So I blame Jowood and Atari (mainly Atari.)
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elkston
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quote:
Originally posted by Jaz
quote:
Originally posted by elkston
had it been released only in English would this have hampered its German sales?
So here a local company planning on serving the huge local market without doing a local language version will commit commercial suicide, UNLESS they created the game for an international publisher/distributor in the first place.
Yes, this makes sense. I hope that Jowood's new partner in North America will push the company to realize the importance of localization and shoot for a reasonalbe post-German release date. Not 6+ months after it hits the shelves in Germany/Austria but more like 3 weeks later or 2 months tops. This is normal for most other USA games that get international releases.
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Jackie
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Originally posted by patriot
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Originally posted by Jackie
TRUE!!
I have the same question.
But think if the company is in german what language do you believe that they will publish it first.
Okay let me put it like this,there is a russian company called akella and made the pirates of the carabian(I haven't played the game)Then there's quantic dream with the fahreneit and it's france so what do you say.Do you want more examles.
First if you dont have play pirates of the Caribbean.Play it. It deserves to buy it.
Second my opinoin was that. There arent many games which they tranlate first in country's language. But i think the answer has given by Jaz
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Daedalus
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also u ppl are forgetting something if they would deverlope it first into english and would want to put the game worldwide out then they need a nice dependable publisher , like we allready seen Atari a bigger publisher almost signed dead gothic 2 addon english and they released gothic 2 english very late also , jowood does mostly the releasing in germany only and dosent do much worldwide , so that would be one problem to find a publisher who really would publish the game almost everywhere |
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Jackie
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Your opinion is right! 
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Chekote
Where’s my Banana?!?!
Joined: 08 Mar 2002
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In reply to Deadalus:
Exactly. Could you imagine what would have happened if PB had concentrated their release of Gothic 1 on international sales? Published with JoWood first and not in Germany?
I bet the whole mess would have screwed them over and seriously damaged the possiblity of Gothic 2 ever being created.
Anything they need to do to ensure their survivial I am behind 100%. If that means releasing in Germany first and we wait 6 Months for a release, then so be it.
I would rather wait six months for Gothic 2 & 3 than not have them at all!
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Gorath
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The question whether or not to translate a game has nothing to do with pride. It´s a simple economic decision, which of course often follows traditional standards. Markets like NL, all the Scandinavian countries and many more are simply not big enough to invest money in high quality translations. Other markets have to live with low quality translations due to piracy problems. Countries like Turkey, for example don´t see a release at all because the piracy rate is ~99%.
The German markets for PC games is not only the biggest European one, it´s the world´s 2nd biggest behind the North American. Risking their dominating position in such an important market would be just stupid. As long as they don´t get the funding to go really mainstream and do a worldwide simultaneous release -which can only be done by a big publisher- they have to take the easy money first.
The only type of games which can be succssfull in an English version in Germany is FPSs. Their story is rather irrelevant and the shooting standardized. Everything else needs to be translated.
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Jackie
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I think that the most countries have piracy rate at least 1%.
I dont know for Turkey but in our country we dont have pirate.
Maybe little!
In all contries the pirate protected from the law.! 
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Daedalus
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quote:
Originally posted by Jackie
I think that the most countries have piracy rate at least 1%.
I dont know for Turkey but in our country we dont have pirate.
Maybe little!
In all contries the pirate protected from the law.!
LOL belive it or not but all countrys have alot of piracy going on u might think that in some places are none but there are for sure , some people for example are too poor to buy pc games i can understand actually that it aint simple to put hard earned money to some entertainment but we need to understand the games deverlopers also who have done alot of work on the perfect product , with alot of love to the project and many sleepless nights behind pcs thinking how to make better a game , program maybe even somekind of animated movie life isnt easy thats all i can say |
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Jackie
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I know that but i didnt want to say the truth.!
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Acleacius
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"I have to disagree. Google a bit more, you'll find a few interviews from the US."
This was a reply to your first comment
"Don't say that or KaiRo will come and kill you. He did several English interviews with game websites and magazines. PB's Gothic II Preview and Review site gives you a short list of such interviews."
Which I did check, and as I stated they were old and about UK version.
So now you want me to Google it? 
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"Just a question, are you blaming Piranha Bytes for the game's lack of publicity? "
Just saying they could have helped the situation more and im saying at least one interview in realtionship to the US (rest of the world, beyond Europe?) release.
Why would it be good for PB to do inteviews for the UK release, come to the forum as you mentioned chat it up, then not do anything for the US (rest of the world?) a year? later.
Just the fact that your brought it up that PB came here and talked on the board meant something of consequence, how could it not be of consequence that they didnt for US (rest of the world?)?
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"Of course they didn't want to fix it. Correcting mistranslations is not the public relations' job.
Not sure I follow here, what does PR or JoWood fixing translation errors, to help get a release, have to do with being in Public Releations?
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"Here is my assumption: G2US' sales didn't go too well comparing with Atari's other games such as NWN, so Atari decided not to distribute it. Ya I know, it's just as weird as yours."
Err, ok
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Hehe, not intrested in your Dermatologital Psychosis and just a BIG THANKS for not actually going into detail about Sycosis
Well then if it wasnt, you sure havent explained how my oppinion, effects the story, you refered to.
If it was your intent to make a joke about spelling, and not answer the question, would actually work in changing the subject or invalidating my point, Opps
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"I didn't say you're closed-mind. By saying yourself "open-minded", you are implying that you are more open-minded than most of us. What makes you think this is true?"
I didnt say, you said I was close minded nor did I say I was open minded.
I just asked if that was your implication, cause I dont understand how im not being openminded.
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Im not attacking anyone one, not Atari, JoWood, PB or Kiwi Boy
Im just stating possible logic as to how this whole JoWood and Atari situation unfolded and offered a possible solutions
So far it seems reasonable to me, if it doesnt cut it with you,
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Patriot
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Joined: 31 May 2004
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Originally posted by Jackie
I know that but i didnt want to say the truth.!
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Are you kidding.70% of my games are copied.Only a few like gothic are original.The pirate in our country Greece is law here.Nobody wants to pay 30-50 euro when he can pays only 10-15 euro.Also there isn't any good game recently.
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Jackie
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You mustnt tell that in this forum.whatever.Many people disagree to I buy an original cd. First if you buy roughly 50 cd every year( lets say 50euro the one). you can not give 2500 euro to buy all the cd. You will take all the games pirate with 150 euro and no with 2500 euro.
And for the music! aim of music is to give you a massage.!! and no to sell the company's cd. The company can use other ways to take money!
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Chekote
Where’s my Banana?!?!
Joined: 08 Mar 2002
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Originally posted by patriot
Are you kidding.70% of my games are copied.Only a few like gothic are original.The pirate in our country Greece is law here.Nobody wants to pay 30-50 euro when he can pays only 10-15 euro.Also there isn't any good game recently.
Obviously the games buying people in your country have a severe lack of morals, and absolutely no respect for the hard working game developers...
If you cant afford it, then dont buy it. That is no excuse to become a theif.
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