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The framerates are ridiculous and unacceptable....
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iplaygames2
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Re: Bleh
   

quote:
Originally posted by Somnus

And no, people aren't 'bending over' for developers, they're just recognizing the effort that has gone into a game that took 3 years to write. It's little slack-jawed prepubescents like you, that have tiny-fisted tantrums because their computer isn't the Cray T3E they seemed to think it is, that do the bending over.
Somnus


Agreed...as a computer programmer in training.. (hehe) I know how hard it is to come up with code that doesn't flop...and I've not yet BEGUN to write for a massive expanse of computers, like the Bethsoft team did..

Anyway, well spoken, Somnus!
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Post Fri May 03, 2002 7:06 pm
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Agree...
   

Agree Danicek

I'm running it on an AMD 1800+XP with a GeForce 3 Reference card, nothing tweaked, nothing overclocked, and I can run it just fine at 1024x768x32 with all options maxed. If I want great framerates and smooth motion all the time (as opposed to some of the time), I turn off shadows. Boo f'ing hoo.

And this comedian's running a faster processor, and a graphics card that scores twice as high on 3dmark, and he's bitching.

Cry me a river. You're damn spoiled by your first person shooters and their graphic and gameplay compromises for the sake of framerate.

Tell me that your Nature demo in 3dmark doesn't chunk on your system with all the options maxed eh? But if your system is such hot stuff, shouldn't you be able to get 100fps no matter what you challenge it with?

LOL

The game doesn't crash for me, I haven't seen anything sooo horrible. I would have liked more feedback about damage I've done to mobs... thats about it.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 7:12 pm
 
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I posted this in another thread, but:
   

This was already posted in its own thread, but I thought it might be worth repeating here:


Let's say that a game company is planning to release a game, which we'll call Game X. Let's say that Game X has been shown to run, on a top range computer, at 50 fps when all AI and Graphics options are set to 75% of max. Upping to 100% will bring even top-of-the-line computers down to around 25. Should the company just cap the options sliders at 75%, so nobody has to feel that their system can't handle it with all options on? Would that make you happier?

Please explain, because I don't get it.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 8:32 pm
 
MamoVaka
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AMEN KHAR
   

People spend a ton of cash to buy geforce 4's for a specific reason, that's right! to play a the best games at the best framerates.

This is the siutation, Bethesda has released a game that currently CANNOT BE PLAYED the way it was MEANT TO BE by any modern home PC. I dont have the cash for a cray superpc. I dont have access to nasa. Most people don't, What I do not understand is why they make a game that is probably 1 year away from being able to play with max detail at a reasonable FPS.

Honestly based on my performance (11fps with max detail) and my rig (xp1900+ 512 ddr audigy and geforce 4 4600) we would need a pc capabale of 3 TIMES the current power to never see frames below 30 in this game. and in my humble opinion, that is total BULL$#@$...
Post Fri May 03, 2002 8:48 pm
 
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Re: AMEN KHAR
   

quote:
Originally posted by MamoVaka
What I do not understand is why they make a game that is probably 1 year away from being able to play with max detail at a reasonable FPS.

Honestly based on my performance (11fps with max detail) and my rig (xp1900+ 512 ddr audigy and geforce 4 4600) we would need a pc capabale of 3 TIMES the current power to never see frames below 30 in this game. and in my humble opinion, that is total BULL$#@$...


No, it is not bull shit. Probably they think we will play it one year away. And I think they are right.
I really do not understand your opinions. If we can talk about bad optimization of engine or something like that. But it doesnt seems to be bad optimization. Why you cry because there is option you can not turn on? Would it be better to you if there will be no this option? Why? I really do not understand your arguments. Well, there are no arguments in your post, if you have some bring them here.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 8:59 pm
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here
   

What I would like is a designer from the morrowind team to tell me that they did in fact design this game for pc's that do not exist yet. I can handle that. but to be honest they didn't. They didnt give the user enough options for optomization. For instance where is the distance dithering? Hell even quake 3 games have it. EQ has it. This doesn't. There should be some really good LEVEL of detail things going on here, like the distance detail is less. but no it's all rendered in MAX detail everywhere, DUMB. Of course it will run like HELL on all pc's with this set up. What a joke.

What I am trying to say is that they just threw this game out there and didnt bother to TRY to optomize it so that a TOP END pc of this day and age can run it. it's silly, and so are you.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 9:11 pm
 
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Things to try:
   

Turn down the view distance. This can have MAJOR effects on the framerate, and it really doesn't make the game any less pretty.

Turn down/off realtime shadows. These are always a resource hog - they certainly were in Dungeon Siege.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 9:27 pm
 
Somnus
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Woohoo!
   

Televisions run at about 44fps refresh rate.....
If I can make it into the top 10 of theCLQ with 12fps and a 300 pinging 56k modem playing COUNTERSTRIKE - then I really think the average labotamy test patient can play a single player RPG (particularly one so incredible) with 30fps.

It's great to see that when a groundbreaking game comes out, all the fools gather around and say 'What? I have to tone down the detail by 10%?!'
It's what is known as 'great forward planningTM.'
They know that today's hardware can't quite run it full tilt at the moment, but in 6 months-1 year, people will be able to boot up their 4ghz computer and say 'Wow, this is still a cutting edge game.'

But obviously strategically shaved monkeys such as yourself cannot comprehend such ideas.

Somnus
Post Fri May 03, 2002 9:32 pm
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Sommun
   

You name should be SOME ASS. Listen I can appreciate what they have done with morrowind. and in 1 year I hope your right. But maybe it's just me though I think a xp1900 and geforce 4 is a pretty damn powerful rig, and the graphics are wonderous, but are they THAT good that it should drive my rig into the ground? I mean the character models are OK, not phenomenal. BTW have you seen Ascheron's Call 2 graphics? wowee

And in Dungeon Seige I play that at max and I get a framerate hit sometimes, but it almost never goes far below 15 and that is with a TON of enemies. However not being a 1st person shooter REALLY helps it out.

I am going to have to lower the view distance unless I want to put up with 11 fps which I do not. but HOT DAMN it would have been nice to play this amazing game at MAX detail, that is why I bought this PC just a little frustrating not to be able to do it.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 9:52 pm
 
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I think his name is fine...first of all..

On to the point (forgive me for extending this thread...lord knows we're all just dancing around the same tree here..)

Your rig is great. We both agree that you have a pretty damn top of the line, built for gaming goodness PC. I think it's safe to assume that you run 99.9% of the games out there completely maxed out, with no jitters, whatsoever. Fair to say that? Now, I can only assume that you are an avid gamer, as a rig like that is a bit overkill if you were just doing Microsoft Excel spreadsheets day in and day out...

This means you've probably played many games before Morrowind. I daresay you've been playing for a number of years, even. How many games in that time have run perfectly? I know you haven't had that rig forever, because some of the technology is fairly new. It simply is not possible for the middle range gamer to keep top of the line everything, all the time. Which translates into SOME of the games we play, we will not be able to play maxed out. As others have stated, once the technology increases, Morrowind will remain cutting edge. God knows it doesn't take long for PC components to expand, technologically speaking.

I really don't like for gamers to bicker back and forth about such things for so long. Everyone in this thread has their own point of view, and if all of the facts/heresay/flames tossed around haven't changed any minds, then let's just all agree to disagree...
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Post Fri May 03, 2002 10:01 pm
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hmm
   

Well listen all I am saying is that it's annoying ot have to lower the detail, and to be honest even when I start lowering stuff the framerate doesnt JUMP sky high unless I bring fog in 50% or more and that is just not acceptable...
I will live with it I suppose.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 10:23 pm
 
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Funny..
   

Funny how I have a GF3, A7M266 mobo, 512Mb of PC2100, XP1800+ under Win XP... and I think this game has the best graphics of any RPG I've ever seen. But then again, I never turned on the framerate calculator. Everybody has bought into the framerate is life lie promulgated by the FPS community. 11-20 FPS is really adequate for an RPG. Its not a slideshow. But hey, you don't like it, find a better RPG...

Buying high end hardware does not buy you the right to a particular framerate, and a lot of people are perfectly content with Morrowind on rather low systems. Turn the options down to the point that you can live with the way the game feels, turn off the frame rate indicator and be happy. Or not, and bitch and moan and still not have the game you want. Return it to the store if you can if its intolerable to you. You were never misled, and the game is fine.

I challenge any of you to buy the source license for the engine and optimize it further. Anybody who says they didn't optimize it enough who has not seen the source is talking out of their ass.
Post Fri May 03, 2002 10:24 pm
 
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MamoVaka, maybe this thread helps you:

http://www.rpgdot.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5553
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Sounds more to me like most of you people whining about FPS have a poorly configured system.. It's mysterious how I have a system similar to yours (Xp 2000+, ti4600, 768 ddr) and i run at 1024x768x32 w/ 2xaa full details, full shadows, blah blah etc and I get a steady 36-76 FPS depending on the location
Post Sat May 04, 2002 12:49 am
 
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P.S. If you are getting less then 10750 stock on a ti4600 with a athlon xp 1800+ or higher your system is very poorly configured which would explain your horrible performance.
Post Sat May 04, 2002 12:50 am
 


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