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Remus
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quote:
Originally posted by Hexy
...Uh, isn't that the general cliché stereotypes for men and women (not just gamers)?


It has nothing to do with cliché stereotyping or not...it's not from my preconception, it's just from my observations and readings, with some differences in different societies. Point out an academical research, either in social science and psychology that in fact women generally like action films, while men like reading love & romantic books!. I strongly suspect that this is result of socialization process or world-view of that particular society.

Isn't true that most societies today is base on patriarchal system in male-female relatioship? So if someone saying this, then automatically mean that he/she is stereotyping something? No, it's just the way how most our societies organized in that particular way...Can you deny that patriarchal system is not a dominant factor?


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Post Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:15 pm
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I guess it is a general cliché stereotype... I for my part (and the same goes for most of my female friends) am not a particular fan of romance movies. In fact, I'd cut most mushy parts out of most movies if I had a say in it - I can't stand mushy stuff, especially not on the screen. Unless it's funny. But when it's funny, it's not mushy anymore.

Might be the designers tend to give male gamers more opportunities at romance because there are more male gamers. Nevertheless, I find this to be highly unfair.
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WHAT I meant, was, that what you pointed out, Remus, is that that is the general impresson of men and women. Not that what you said was wrong.
What you pointed out:

Males generally like sports, action... you know, the shiznit.
Females generally like emotional things, etc. etc.

Are the common sterotypes of men and women, it doesn't just apply to gamers. I don't need a report to show that, and certainly not the opposite. Just look at society.

Those are the general sterotypes, which over time have become clichés. And, although the stereotypes may hold some truth generally speaking, it is as Jaz says, not a mandatory thing.

I myself have NO problem with the mushy stuff... I mean, I could enjoy when Neo fought the Smiths in Matrix 2 or playing through Serious Sam. I'm just a sensitive guy .
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Post Wed Jul 09, 2003 7:52 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Hexy
I myself have NO problem with the mushy stuff... I mean, I could enjoy when Neo fought the Smiths in Matrix 2. I'm just a sensitive guy .

There were two movies which actually made me cry - yes, right in the theater: The Bicentennial Man and Toy Story. But they were about robots and toys, respectively (I adore robots and toys). Generally I prefer blood'n'guts movies, the less pathetic, the better (but I learned to look the other way should pathos prevail - with middle age came patience ).

And to make a full circle and get back on topic - I liked the PS:T and Jagged Alliance 2 NPC interactions so much because they weren't, generally, mushy.
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Yes, i agree . Sure it's not mandatory thing, as i put the word "generally", nothing specific, not about everyone as gamers or non-gamers.

You see, just another example,

Stereotype/stereotyping = oversimpliefield conception, which means the conception could be incomplete or wrong.

However, when indeed many societies today on earth is base on patriarchal system, or male and female is socialized acording to gender roles; e.g male always involve activities require strength, or economically become a breadwinner (main earner in family), while female always keep the opposite roles - then this is rather different from "stereotyping = oversimpliefield conception, which means conception that usually incomplete or wrong."

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Originally posted by Jaz
Might be the designers tend to give male gamers more opportunities at romance because there are more male gamers. Nevertheless, I find this to be highly unfair.

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I found out that more often than not women prefer non-combat, and role-playing on love story such as with new mods in Morrowind. Heck, even some female gamer build a special plug-in that so you can have a companion in game, either with different gender or same gender.
Post Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:29 pm
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quote:
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I tend to find romantic interests in most games, if intended by the designers or not .

no kiddin? same here, but then again, most people would attribute that to my age and lack of girlfriend...



as far as stereotypical generalizations about women liking the emotional stuff and men liking the stuff...well i tend to avoid that subject just cuz they're just that: stereotypical generalizations. however, since most stereotypes have root in truth of some kind, it would make sense that gaming companies, movie companies, and pretty much every other company, whose main objective is making money, would add in things to their products that appeal to their target market. hence "chick flicks"/"movies for guys who like movies" as well as GTA3/...well whatever games that have romance and stuff in em.

these dont exactly do much to negate stereotypes, but they help sales, and in the end, isn't that all that matters?
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quote:
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...they help sales, and in the end, isn't that all that matters?


Yes, the main purpose of business to get profits from your business. Good advertisers know how to tailoring products for different gender. At unversity/college you can take advertising course to learn how to exploit the consumerism attitudes/behaviors between female & male (LOL, ).

As on the issue of gender, there is misunderstanding between "stereotyping" and the basic form of gender relationships in most society - patriarchy system. The former can have nothing to do with the later, although they can exist in certain context of discussion.

If you ask social scientist or Anthropologist, patriarchal relatioships between gender are not something you can't deny. For bad or good, it's the way we human structured the relationship. The psychological and behavioral differences between gender is not stereotypes, include physically women are weaker than men or women can smell (use nose) better than men. Stereotypes or stereotyping is thing that happen at another level, it's a process of oversimplifying and resulted in standardized image or idea about particular ethnic (Asian vs Caucasian), group (computer geeks, etc), or in this case - gender (male/female). It's strongly related to our perception , even bias and prejudice (consciously or unconsciously).
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