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Even though I'll probaly get flamed for saying this, I recently reinstalled
Gothic after not playing it for about 3-4 months and I must say that it still draws me in like no other CRPG ever has. As good as Morrowind is, It seems to be missing something that Gothic has. Personality? Atmosphere?
Morrowind is one of the best games I've played in 15+ plus years of gaming, but it still doesn't pull me in the way Gothic does. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:18 am |
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GhanBuriGhan
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Dear guest, why would we flame you for this? I agree completely that Gothic was marvellous, i like it just as much as MW. Gothic was a better game in the "realism" and "immersion" category, but Morrowind is better in the "freedom", "character diversity", "size", and "gameplay per $" categories. I wouldn't want to miss either one of the two. and yet there were people bashing Gothic when it came out, for its controls (easy to get used to) its "blocky" models (I thought they looked great and very distinct, and the animation was simply excellent), for being too small and being 3rd person only. There is always negativity. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:43 am |
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Krogon
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| Morrowind much better than Gothic |
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Gothic was a nice little game but a far cry from Morrowind. How many Races and Classes did you get to choose in Gothic? Did you get to make spells in Gothic? Did you get to practice Alchemy? Was it an open ended game? How many cities were there? I wouldn't even call it an rpg. Lets try adventure game. Think of it this way, Gothic is like a trailer to a great movie. Morrowind is that great movie.
Morrowind, is simply doesn't get any better than this. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:05 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command

Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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quote: Originally posted by Krogon
Morrowind, is simply doesn't get any better than this.
Please take no personal offense because none is intended, however, it is just this sort of mindless, thoughtless reverence that closes all discussion and stops any advances.
All the other game manufacturers might just as well close up shop because it has already been done and nobody can ever top it.
I suppose you feel the same way about your favorite car, television set, stereo, etc., etc. - they might as well stop because it doesn't get any better. _________________ When everything else in life seems to fail you - buy a vowel. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:24 pm |
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Krogon
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| I post How I want to Joey |
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In my opinion it doesn't get any better than Morrowind. I'll thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion and my right to express it. What is mindless is you people comparing an adventure game like Gothic to an great RPG like Morrowind. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:38 pm |
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MoonDragon
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Joined: 25 May 2002
Posts: 1254
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quote: Originally posted by Joey Nipps
Please take no personal offense because none is intended, however, it is just this sort of mindless, thoughtless reverence that closes all discussion and stops any advances.
It's interesting (at least to me) that I found myself agreeing with that statement and another example that instantly popped into my mind was its polar opposite.
Mindless bashing under the pretense of "constructive feedback." Mindless bashing that says this game is crap and all attempts at rationalizing how it's good is just plain fanboyism and counter-constructivism. It allows for no discussion and stops all advances to anything productive. Sound familiar? It is the very reason why this thread has been going on for 6 pages and absolutely nothing got resolved.
A: "the glass is half empty!"
B: "no it's not, it's half full, you're just looking at it wrong."
A: "you fainboi!"
B: "you troll!"
C: "it's all just oppinions after all..."
A&B: "SHUT UP!"
A: "it sux."
B: "it rox."
A: "it sux."
B: "you troll, it rox."
A: "you fainboi, it sux."
P.S. Saying that this game is programmer's fault is like saying that not having an ashtray as part of your new car model is the assembly line welder's fault, or that the shitty dialog in the movie is the camera man's fault. I think you should re-examine whom you're mad at. _________________ (@) |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:44 pm |
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Garon
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| Re: Morrowind much better than Gothic |
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quote: Originally posted by Joey Nipps
quote: Originally posted by Krogon
Morrowind, is simply doesn't get any better than this.
Please take no personal offense because none is intended, however, it is just this sort of mindless, thoughtless reverence that closes all discussion and stops any advances.
All the other game manufacturers might just as well close up shop because it has already been done and nobody can ever top it.
I suppose you feel the same way about your favorite car, television set, stereo, etc., etc. - they might as well stop because it doesn't get any better.
This is also not meant to offend, Joey, but Krogon's statement is very similar in concept to yours in a different thread, where you said that the only thing you could do in MW was look at scenery and kill monsters. Your final comment, I believe, was, "Whatever floats your boat, but there is not much there." The difference between the two statements is that they lie on different ends of the spectrum.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. MW doesn't have tons of very involved quests, and it doesn't have npcs that will discuss the weather or the latest World Cup scores with you. It does, however, have other things such as different cultures, underlying themes and intrigue, and a large, open game area.
Taking either extreme and posting about it endlessly is counterproductive. Speaking only of the good things in MW will hinder the improvements of the poorer things, and speaking only of the bad things, such as perceived emptiness of Morrowind, might cause developers to discard the facets at which MW excels and that some people really enjoy and, instead, work exclusively on the things that interest you but not other players.
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Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:52 pm |
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Joey Nipps
Orcan High Command

Joined: 03 Jan 2002
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| Re: I post How I want to Joey |
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quote: Originally posted by Krogon
In my opinion it doesn't get any better than Morrowind. I'll thank you for allowing me to have my own opinion and my right to express it. What is mindless is you people comparing an adventure game like Gothic to an great RPG like Morrowind.
And, my friend, that sort of "opinion" is patently false, proven false by all of history in this and every other avenue of human endeavor. There is NO such thing as it IS the best and it cannot get any better - which is just what you proclaimed. Things (regardless of the topic) always are advanced by human endeavor - things get more advanced and get better.
I joined this thread because I had hopes that the people here (being mostly fans of CRPGs) might be willing and able to discuss how the game MIGHT be better - the only way to do that is to rationally discuss the shortcomings (if any exist). I am sorry to note that many people here prefer to blindly proclaim the game to have no faults. The few who admit there are faults then proceed to make excuses for the designers of the game. Go for it as this is just what they want. _________________ When everything else in life seems to fail you - buy a vowel. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:52 pm |
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Garon
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Looks like I just echoed what MoonDragon said. Oh well. Some redundancy can be good, I suppose. Or not.
Garon |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 3:57 pm |
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Krogon
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Something IS best if it is better than all others in the same category. I did not say however that it is perfect. An my comment on It simply doesn't get any better than this is just and expression. Think of it as an exaggeration to make a point. I know you understood that it is just an expression so just leave it at that Joey. I will continue to express my complete support for Morrowind. Any faults I have seen have been very tiny.
Morrowind the real thing. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:01 pm |
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Llama
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Joined: 11 Oct 2001
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How many Races and Classes did you get to choose in Gothic?
Even though it's a fantasy game, Gothic still has a resemblance of Earth to it. It revolves around a world that doesn't have a bunch of non-human races that look like aliens.
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Did you get to make spells in Gothic? Did you get to practice Alchemy?
Spell making was a neat idea until you realized how useless it was. Alchemy is severely broken and way over powered, but that's because Bethesda didn't test this game for gameplay issues, they just wanted to make sure rocks were on the ground and the trees looked pretty.
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Was it an open ended game?
To a certain degree in the beginning, with optional exploration to be done.
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How many cities were there?
Three camps that had more life in them, than the entire island of Morrowind put together, multiplied by 50. People ate, made weapons, practiced fighting, talked to each other, sat down to rest, drank, smoked weed, played the lute, worked on their huts, brewed potions, mined ore, pissed in a corner, washed their face, went to sleep, cooked meat, yelled at you if you entered their hut, and got upset if you drew your weapon.
What did the NPC's in Morrowind do? Oh that's right....nothing.
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I wouldn't even call it an rpg. Lets try adventure game.
Really? Cause you play the role of a prisoner cast into a colony with a magical barrier around it. That kind of limits total land exploration due to the story (which is 10 times better than Morrowind's). There is a complete social ladder in the camps that makes the Great Houses in Morrowind pathetic.
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Think of it this way, Gothic is like a trailer to a great movie. Morrowind is that great movie.
Morrowind, is simply doesn't get any better than this.
Gothic is superior in every way to Morrowind from a gaming aspect, and Gothic 2 will be 5 times larger and more detailed than Gothic.
Face it, Bethesda wasted four years on this game, four years... They spent too much time on fancy graphics and too little time on game content. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:03 pm |
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Krogon
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| Morrowind way better than Gothic |
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Every part of Morrowind is better Gothic. Better story. Better graphics. Better gameplay. It is the best rpg ever created. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:13 pm |
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MoonDragon
High Emperor


Joined: 25 May 2002
Posts: 1254
Location: Waterloo, Canada |
quote: Originally posted by Garon
Looks like I just echoed what MoonDragon said. Oh well. Some redundancy can be good, I suppose. Or not.
Garon
You said it better than I did.
Being a troll and all doesn't allow me great ability to express the things that thoughts on mind that get distracted about words to go and like ... umm... I'm gonna go now...  _________________ (@) |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:13 pm |
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Danicek
The Old One

Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
| Re: Morrowind much better than Gothic |
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quote: Originally posted by MoonDragon
A: "the glass is half empty!"
B: "no it's not, it's half full, you're just looking at it wrong."
A: "you fainboi!"
B: "you troll!"
C: "it's all just oppinions after all..."
A&B: "SHUT UP!"
A: "it sux."
B: "it rox."
A: "it sux."
B: "you troll, it rox."
A: "you fainboi, it sux."
Bravo, this is great :]. Funny and truthful in one time. |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:18 pm |
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Jung
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| Re: Morrowind way better than Gothic |
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quote: Originally posted by Krogon
Every part of Morrowind is better Gothic. Better story. Better graphics. Better gameplay. It is the best rpg ever created.
Do you have anything useful to say, or are you just going to keep spouting empty absolutes? In otherwords, you haven't made a compelling argument for anything you've said, so your opinion is WORTHLESS unsupported drivel. If you can't say why or how MW is better than every other RPG aver made, then it's difficult to take you seriously(hard to tell if you've even played Gothic or MW). |
Wed Jun 12, 2002 4:37 pm |
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