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Who will be U.S president
Bush
53%
 53%  [ 16 ]
Kerry
46%
 46%  [ 14 ]
Total Votes : 30

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Lintra
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Editorial note: The US is NOT a democracy .. it is a representitive democracy. There is a HUGE difference.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 8:40 pm
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quote:

So US citizens can decide who to pick as president but not if the agree with a war? Wouldn't a true democracy have the people deciding issues such as war?

The US is a representitive democracy, aways has been. The population of a state picks who that state wants to be as president. The name of the country is the UNITED STATES. All the states decide who will be president through the electoral college. It is not the UNTIDED PEOPLES DEMOCRACY, it is the UNTIDED STATES.

Please try not to contradict yourself, if the majority people's choice should be president, then the majority peoples's war should be accepted.



Uh... you ask me why I'm against a war in Iraq if the democracy wants it. I say i'ts because I believe it's wrong. Doesn't matter if the majority wants it. If the majority wants a president, but don't get the one they choose, it's not very democratic. And I don't have to like it. If the majority wants a war, and get it, you could call it democracy, but that does NOT mean that I MUST LIKE IT nor that I must believe it's justified. See the friggin' difference??
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:50 pm
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Quite apart from the fact that the population was (and largely still is) misinformed about the true threat Iraq imposed and about its "involvement" with the 9-11 attack (as has increasingly come to light) and influenced by rather tilted media reports in the aftermath of 9-11.
Which is at least partly again the responsibility of the government. Finally a debate on whether to begin a war or not would have been led differently had the population really been the one to decide the question. I see the difference in Switzerland quite regularly.
Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 10:52 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Lintra

Mr Clinton. I think his foreign policy is best summed up by the nick name Cruise Missle Bill. I dunno who came up with it, but when a friend of mine used it I had to steal the term ... it is so delightfully succinct.


Weird, I consider Clinton as one of the best US presidents in foreign policy. The middle east was far more at peace then under Bush.(Depends a lot on Sharon and Arafat off course, but..) In most European countries(exc UK and maybe Spain) Clinton exceeds Bush(both) in almost every way. I know off course that's also because our media projects him like that.
This is getting way off topic but I think I should warn some of you about the danger of reading and viewing only American news. Before the war in Iraq(2nd one) they builded it up that it was true and just to attack Iraq. They pictured Sadam as a man who could fire a missile to the US like it was no problem. I think most of you understand now this wasn't the truth, but think why most European media didn't follow this idea. I presume that in some way Bush is controling your media and that's about the scariest thing that can happen. A president that controls the media.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:15 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Bartacus
So why did they attack Iraq now, Lintra. They didn't have a UN mandate either and Sadam wasn't busy doing anything. He was no immediate threath to the USA, nor the UK, nor Spain.
Actually, careful examination of the applicable UN resolutions will show that military force was authorized under certain conditions. The argument in the UN was whether those conditions were met, NOT whether armed conflict was sanctioned.
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Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:23 pm
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Why don't you ask the people in Spain about the threats posed by muslim fundamentalism. Tell you what, I'm getting sick and tired of people launching verbal attacks at America when we're the ones trying to solve this terrorist problem in the first place. Just wait until some extremist toasts the Eifel tower or gets his hands on a nuclear device and levels Bonn. Hexy, do you seriously think you can play 'nicey nice' with these monsters? Do you seriously think you can negotiate with terrorists? If you don't like American policy as it applies to terrorists, why don't you give us some alternate solutions.
Post Thu Mar 11, 2004 11:25 pm
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@Hexy: Am I honestly supposed to take that hate-spewing rhetoric as credible?
I've seen the ads, they aren't attack ads. I've also heard from other people who had loved ones die in 9-11 and they have no problem with Bush using those images. I also find it ironic that the people he does quote from belong to a group that's backrolled by a Teresa Heinz Kerry foundation.
Kindly find a credible source if you want me to believe anything stated in that article you quoted. Preferable one where the journalist isn't foaming at the mouth. In the meantime, I'll laugh it up.
Besides, there is nothing wrong with Bush using it in my opinion. FDR practically ran over his competition using Pearl Harbor and actual war footage in his campaigns. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

Ah yes, hindsight is always 20/20. It's always easy to say that someone should have known something after the fact. Just like I should have known one day back in October of 2000 that I'd get in a car accident that day. All the signs are there. Car accidents happen every day to tons of people at any time and without warning. However, that didn't stop me from going out driving that day and getting hit by someone in another car. The point I'm trying to make is that the US recieves threats every single day. The trouble is recognizing the credible ones and stopping them. When the intelligence community is divided, that is more difficult. It took a disaster to cause the government to get these agencies to start integrating and working together more.
As for the commission not having complete access, I agree. There are things that the public doesn't need access to if it'll hurt national security. In this case, I'll choose patience and wait for the facts before drawing any conculsions. We'll see if Bush disappoints me here. Heaven knows he's disappointed me on other issues, but not enough for me to see Kerry as a viable alternative.

A job is a job.

@Bartacus: The President doesn't control the media. If you watch more than one American channel or read more than one American newspaper, you'd start to see the differences.

Bleh, I need to stop posting in this topic and do my homework.
Be nice.
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Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:53 am
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Kerry 2004!
   

Bush is a bona fide habitual liar. Lied about Iraq and lies about anything else that he can. His policies or lack thereof are devastating the US economy. His main issues are gay marriage, same sex high schools and drug testing high schoolers. The US has serious problems. Namely:

Jobs
Health care
Foreign policy
Deficit
National debt
Lying about WMD's and the Iraq war

These are the real issues. Not running around yelling Al Quaida at every turn and landing on aircraft carriers for photo ops. You are going to find that most bush supporters are brainwashed religious types that would follow him off a cliff.
Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:38 am
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quote:
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You are going to find that most bush supporters are brainwashed religious types that would follow him off a cliff.
Oh please. Is that the best you can do? I haven't been to church in 2 decades (other than weddings and funerals). Now try a little harder because I'm late for my political reprogramming session.
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Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 1:55 am
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Geez, all these people just hate 'ol Dubya so immensely! I just cannot wait to see him re-elected, what a glorious day that will be. Im not some kind of lemming by the way, Im a Tiger!='.'= One thing about us Tigers, is that we know US politics, and I havent been wrong predicting one election yet. Im in the same political faction as he, yes I agree with his political positions. If *anyone* here is told how to think by their govt, its all the good little socialists. There are a few things that Ive disagreed with him about quite vehemently. But, one thing I agree with him on, is foreign policy. Everyone seems to labor under this illusion that ol Dubya lied about Iraq. The UN only whined about Iraq threat for ten years. They are the ones who passed the resolutions. If anything, they ballyhooed so much about the Hussein regime that someone finally did something about it. That someone was Dubya. He saw the carnage of 9/11 and realized for once and for all, something had to be done before it was too late.

Bartacus, the reason why you liked Clinton so much on foreign policy, is because he didnt DO ANYTHING! LOL! He was so great on foreign policy, that the North Koreans are now the wonderful gulag nation with nukes. He did so great with foreign policy, that he refused Bin Laden as a prisoner, twice! The guy did a great job in Haiti too, didnt he? Took out those maniacal Serbs, sure glad for that one. He also attacked Iraq as well, but noone seems to mind that. People dont seem too ticked off that he shot down the holy Kyoto protocol as well. Wheres all this great Clinton foreign policy? We just lay down and die? Offer our throats to the enemy? Saladin laughs at you from beyond the grave, as his new soldiers sharpen their swords.
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Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:05 am
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Re: Kerry 2004!
   

quote:
Originally posted by NidPuterGuy
Bush is a bona fide habitual liar.


We are already aware of the fact that he is a politician.
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Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:58 am
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Great pic!

Dubya finally did what needed done. 'nuff said

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

edit-pic didnt work at first, account ran out ='.'=
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Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 4:32 am
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By the way, this thread is AWESOME! I have not laughed this hard in a long time! Keep it going!!!
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Post Fri Mar 12, 2004 5:16 am
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Re: Kerry 2004!
   

quote:
Originally posted by Korplem
quote:
Originally posted by NidPuterGuy
Bush is a bona fide habitual liar.


We are already aware of the fact that he is a politician.


Ha
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wow, 'ol Maddy must have been talking with Halliburton way back when!

I know Kengo this is hilarious! We were laughing our butts off at work today reading it !!!
im sorry, this is too funny all i need is a good Kofi Annan pic of him "condemning in the strongest terms" and Ill finally be convinced dubya just "made it all up".
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