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Michael C
Black Dragon

Joined: 09 Jul 2001
Posts: 1595
Location: Aarhus, Denmark |
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
When I discuss games with friends or customers (I'm the games salesperson at our store), I don't classify them as 'good' or 'bad'. I recommend games depending on a customer's preferences, my own experiences (if possible) and the reviews/reports I've read/heard. Even though I'm not a fan of sports games I feel able to counsel a customer on those we have available. And if they're undecided I don't shy back from installing and testing the games in question together with them.
Well, there you go, I'm sure you try to be as unbiased as possible when you act as a games saleswoman, but tell me, if a customer ask you about a game, you know by own experience and you really found very bad in your opinion ofcourse, would you still not mention your preferences for the game at all? _________________ Moderator on RPGdot.com Forum.
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Thu Jul 03, 2003 1:53 pm |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook

Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 9708
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Of course I'd tell the customer I didn't like it, and why - and if I knew persons who'd liked the game I'd tell that, too. But I'd never tell a customer or friend a game was bad just because I didn't like it. 'Good'/'bad' is my personal referencing system and short for 'do like'/'don't like'. _________________ Jaz |
Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:04 pm |
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Michael C
Black Dragon

Joined: 09 Jul 2001
Posts: 1595
Location: Aarhus, Denmark |
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
Of course I'd tell the customer I didn't like it, and why - and if I knew persons who'd liked the game I'd tell that, too. But I'd never tell a customer or friend a game was bad just because I didn't like it.
But is that not exactly the impression you could give the customer, if you bring in your opinion of the game?
I presume You only give your personal opinion, if directly asked?
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
'Good'/'bad' is my personal referencing system and short for 'do like'/'don't like'.
And You have no problem in categorizing every game in those two boxes? No "gray" zone(s) at all?
I personally , got a good deal of games, I wouldn't call very good, but also not very bad, and if you ask me , if I liked the game Yes/No, I probably end up in saying "NYeo" _________________ Moderator on RPGdot.com Forum.
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Thu Jul 03, 2003 2:50 pm |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook

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Posts: 9708
Location: RPGDot |
I always tell the customer if something is my personal opinion or not, and you're right, I give it only when asked - unless I discover we like the same games.
About the two boxes - I'm afraid the only games I'm indifferent towards are those I haven't played. Either I like a game, or I don't. Of course there are games I like better than others, but since it's easy to make me happy there are hardly games I'd call so/so. The games I DON'T like usually are uninstalled and sold, so I can't say I own a game I don't like... _________________ Jaz |
Thu Jul 03, 2003 4:52 pm |
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Michael C
Black Dragon

Joined: 09 Jul 2001
Posts: 1595
Location: Aarhus, Denmark |
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
I always tell the customer if something is my personal opinion or not, and you're right, I give it only when asked - unless I discover we like the same games.
Sounds fair enough.
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
About the two boxes - I'm afraid the only games I'm indifferent towards are those I haven't played. Either I like a game, or I don't. Of course there are games I like better than others, but since it's easy to make me happy there are hardly games I'd call so/so. The games I DON'T like usually are uninstalled and sold, so I can't say I own a game I don't like...
Okay, okay. Let's presume a customer ask you about your personal opinion about let's say FIFA 2003, or LINK 2003. And let's presume you shortly have tried a demo of those games, just out of curiosity, or watched it over the shoulder of a friend, if for no other reason. I presume those kind of games is not in your "I like" category (I have nothing to support this statement, I'm just presuming).
Would, you say:
1. I don't like this game, but I've heard...etc
2. I'm not that familiar with this game to state an opinion, but I've heard.....etc.
3. I don't like it, come over here instead and look at the (Ex.) Lands of Lore saga......
4. It's probably a quite good game, reviewers have also given it a fairly high score.
5. Other _________________ Moderator on RPGdot.com Forum.
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Fri Jul 04, 2003 12:12 pm |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook

Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 9708
Location: RPGDot |
First off, I have played FIFA 2003, and liked it even though I wouldn't buy it if I had some spare money. I haven't played Link 03 but I've played older Golf games.
But I know what you mean, so let's assume the game in question was Sudden Strike (~a game of a genre I'm not really familiar with, I tried and didn't like it). My answer to a customer would have been: "...it's not of a genre I usually play so I can't give a personal opinion, but I know several people who do play round-based tactic games and were quite impressed with the gameplay and details, even though the graphics aren't quite up to date. The reviews were good as well, but the game seems to be quite difficult so it's not for beginners blablabla..." etc. etc.
Had a friend asked the same question, I'd told him, "Well, it's not my kind of game - I tried and didn't like it too much, but my hubby and Tom love it because blablabla..."
Any way it'd be a quite lengthy conversation. _________________ Jaz |
Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:08 pm |
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Michael C
Black Dragon

Joined: 09 Jul 2001
Posts: 1595
Location: Aarhus, Denmark |
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
First off, I have played FIFA 2003, and liked it even though I wouldn't buy it if I had some spare money. I haven't played Link 03 but I've played older Golf games.
I'm glad I said that I only presumed
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
But I know what you mean, so let's assume the game in question was Sudden Strike (~a game of a genre I'm not really familiar with, I tried and didn't like it). My answer to a customer would have been: "...it's not of a genre I usually play so I can't give a personal opinion, but I know several people who do play round-based tactic games and were quite impressed with the gameplay and details, even though the graphics aren't quite up to date. The reviews were good as well, but the game seems to be quite difficult so it's not for beginners blablabla..." etc. etc.
Had a friend asked the same question, I'd told him, "Well, it's not my kind of game - I tried and didn't like it too much, but my hubby and Tom love it because blablabla..."
Any way it'd be a quite lengthy conversation.
Okay, You sounds like a fair game sales woman, probably with a good sum of knowledge through most game types, but it just make your comments about our more detailled game discussion more, lets say "strange" to me, When you say, games are good/bad depending on the if you like/dislike them. Your statement in itself is okay, but I would have presumed (Yes, again) that You with all your game experience, would have jumped into a more thorough analysis of a game.  _________________ Moderator on RPGdot.com Forum.
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Mon Jul 07, 2003 11:40 am |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook

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Ah, but that's simple, isn't it? I'm far too lazy to analyze games for myself. For me personally, a game is 'good' or 'bad' depending on if I like it or not. Only when others are involved I feel the need to analyze why I like/don't like a game, mainly because I'm trying to be fair. _________________ Jaz |
Mon Jul 07, 2003 1:16 pm |
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Michael C
Black Dragon

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Posts: 1595
Location: Aarhus, Denmark |
He He, Okay What can I say more? I rest my case  _________________ Moderator on RPGdot.com Forum.
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Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:59 am |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook

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Posts: 9708
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I usually try to avoid discussions, mainly because I'm too lazy to type so many words . _________________ Jaz |
Tue Jul 08, 2003 3:27 pm |
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Michael C
Black Dragon

Joined: 09 Jul 2001
Posts: 1595
Location: Aarhus, Denmark |
When I look at your post count, I wouldn't say that it's entirely true  _________________ Moderator on RPGdot.com Forum.
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 9:23 am |
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TheLonePaladin
Mighty Warrior

Joined: 27 Feb 2002
Posts: 1808
Location: San Francisco, CA |
quote: Originally posted by Shmaugus
whoever said something about romace in arcanum
obviously, raven, the elven princess, didnt mean as much to you as she did to me.  _________________ =Follower of Righteousness=
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 10:50 am |
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Jaz
Late Night Spook

Joined: 20 Jan 2002
Posts: 9708
Location: RPGDot |
quote: Originally posted by Michael C
When I look at your post count, I wouldn't say that it's entirely true
The post count doesn't tell anything about the length of individual posts... most of my 7000-something posts fall into the 'please mind your language', 'Click this link' or 'moved' categories .
@TheLonePaladin: I tend to find romantic interests in most games, if intended by the designers or not . _________________ Jaz |
Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:30 pm |
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Remus
Overgrown Cat

Joined: 03 Jul 2002
Posts: 1657
Location: Fish bowl |
quote: Originally posted by TheLonePaladin
...obviously, raven, the elven princess, didnt mean as much to you as she did to me.
*shiver*
Seriously, i think romantic interests is very good element to add to the depth of Role-playing, but surprisingly so far we haven't see much excellent or interesting, lengthly, heartbreaking love theme in CRPGs. We also need "warmy" love songs, as can be found more often on some Japanese games, like Final Fantasy series.
The love story in BG2 is still not deep enough, IMO.
quote: Originally posted by Jaz
I tend to find romantic interests in most games, if intended by the designers or not
Not surprising, IMO women gamer generally more attached to love theme in many things, like in book/novel/movie, including in games - isn't it? While men like things such as movies that contain a lot of action, explosion, etc? That's what i usually observed among teenagers, though. |
Wed Jul 09, 2003 5:45 pm |
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Hexy
High Emperor


Joined: 28 Jun 2002
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The love story in BG2 is still not deep enough, IMO.
Well now, it depends on WHICH love story you're talking about. For example, the Viconia love story was more interesting than the one with Jaheira. One interesting thing was that male PCs had like 4 or 5 women to choose between in BG 2, while female PCs only got 1 male.
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Not surprising, IMO women gamer generally more attached to love theme in many things, like in book/novel/movie, including in games - isn't it? While men like things such as movies that contain a lot of action, explosion, etc? That's what i usually observed among teenagers, though.
Uh, isn't that the general cliché stereotypes for men and women (not just gamers)? _________________ Like some bold seer in a trance;
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Wed Jul 09, 2003 6:24 pm |
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