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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord

Joined: 04 May 2004
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X-dANGEr, I don't know where Sheshan is, is there another name for this place, called Sheshan.
What is "The Etenity War?" (or perhaps it is "Eternal War") either way I would like for you to explain the concept to me. I will listen to what you say. _________________ Always with you what can not be done. Hear you nothing that I say? - Master Yoda
Only the powerful are free. - Darrius Cole |
Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:55 am |
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Danicek
The Old One

Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
quote: Originally posted by Val
quote: Originally posted by Bartacus
when you go to the US from a foreign country, they will serve you as meat menu porc. This is only done to see wheater you're muslim. When you are, a flag is being pulled. That does not mean that they are taking you out or put you on the way back. No, it means that they will monitor you a bit better, watch you closer.
That's just beyond ridiculous and I highly doubt the authenticity of that. A "pork test" won't tell you if someone is Muslim.
I agree with Val, this is certainly just a gossip, that is good enough to make big Satan (US) even more satanic. |
Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:36 am |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny

Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
quote: Originally posted by DCole
X-dANGEr, I don't know where Sheshan is, is there another name for this place, called Sheshan.
No, i don't know another name, but this isn't an arab country, it is an islamic one.
quote: Originally posted by DCole
What is "The Etenity War?" (or perhaps it is "Eternal War") either way I would like for you to explain the concept to me. I will listen to what you say.
Yes, eternal war, I meant that from the first of life(not the begining, but from tool long period, when the Crisian religion appeared), and people are fighting, once when Islam arrived, most of the people were barbarians except th europeans i think, Islam united them all, it all continued until France, Britain helped freeing the Islamic world from a bad ruler, they helped yes, but they seperated the countries of each other, and evry european country took it's share,then Britain gave Palestine to Israel braking their word to muslims, this is the point were most of the muslims started hating you, i mean Europpean and American, as for now, they don't have a lot of hate except the ones who their parents, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters are killed by the two nations mentioned upthere, as i know that American and Europpean people are inesant, also there is some racisim people(i mean recisim in religion), look at Germany, it never was attacked by any muslim, you wanna know the reason, you should look at Germany's profile, they didn't cause any harm to us, when you say Germanian or any other nationality in out cou8ntry, it is a good thing, except thos who encourages their goverment's bad actions. _________________
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:05 pm |
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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord

Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 406
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quote:
By X-dANGEr
Yes, eternal war, I meant that from the first of life(not the begining, but from tool long period, when the Crisian religion appeared), and people are fighting, once when Islam arrived, most of the people were barbarians except th europeans i think, Islam united them all,...
Weren't these people that you call "barbarians" conquered by an Islamic military force?
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The ones who hates you are the ones that their relevents get killed by you, in the eternity war, in Palestine, Sheshan, Iraq and other places.
I may be mistaken, but I believe the Islamic terrorists who attack American and European interest seldom come from Palestine. The Iraqi terrorists have only attacked targets in Iraq after the war and they seem to target Iraqis more than Americans anyway. An argument could be made that the so-called Iraqi terrorists are not from Iraq. Either way, the Iraqis and Palestinians seldom launch attacks outside of their own country (at which point it could be debated whether it is truly terrorism). If people in Palestine and Iraq are the ones who hate Americans and Europeans, why are the other groups attacking? _________________ Always with you what can not be done. Hear you nothing that I say? - Master Yoda
Only the powerful are free. - Darrius Cole |
Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:11 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny

Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
quote: Originally posted by DCole
Weren't these people that you call "barbarians" conquered by an Islamic military force?
Their were two choices:
1)All the country get in Islamic religion(peacefull or millitaryfull, not bloodfull)
2)The country can stay in the religion they are in, but they will have to ransom this thing.
quote: Originally posted by DCole
I may be mistaken, but I believe the Islamic terrorists who attack American and European interest seldom come from Palestine.
I amnot mistakes that the European countries attacked Islamic regions and seperated them from each other, and every country took it's share, then Palestine went to Israel, America came and stood by Israel and then conquered Afaganestan followed by Iraq.
quote: Originally posted by DCole
The Iraqi terrorists have only attacked targets in Iraq after the war and they seem to target Iraqis more than Americans anyway.
First of all, you can say that a little non-Islamic person dies, more traitors die(they consider the policemen traitors for not fighting with the people), and less of Islamic non-traitors people, Btw, they doesn't target Iraqi's, even if they did, the Iraqis they targeted are corporating with the conquering enemy.
quote: Originally posted by DCole
Either way, the Iraqis and Palestinians seldom launch attacks outside of their own country (at which point it could be debated whether it is truly terrorism).
I never heared Palestine attacking another country, and Iraq attacked Israel long ago because it conquired Palestine, so i can call it self-defence of Islamic regions.
quote: Originally posted by DCole
If people in Palestine and Iraq are the ones who hate Americans and Europeans, why are the other groups attacking?
Every Islamic person and i think european civilians are made from America, Israel and Britain actions, they hate the goverment that rules the people, they thinks of the people as inisants except those who are satisfies with their goverment's bloodthirsty actions. _________________
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Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:18 pm |
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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord

Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 406
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X-dANGEr, Could you give more detailed explanations of these two statements?
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1)All the country get in Islamic religion(peacefull or millitaryfull, not bloodfull)
I particularly would like to know how "militaryfull" is different from "bloodfull."
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2)The country can stay in the religion they are in, but they will have to ransom this thing.
Specifically, I wonder what you mean by "ransom this thing." _________________ Always with you what can not be done. Hear you nothing that I say? - Master Yoda
Only the powerful are free. - Darrius Cole |
Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:03 pm |
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Schattenherz
Head Merchant

Joined: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 71
Location: Nuremberg, Old Europe |
Well, IIRC (History Lessons were loong ago for me ...) the Moslems killed far less civilians when they tried to conquer Europe than the Europeans on their Crusades. I think he means with military Means but without unnecessary Violence.
The Christians and Jews in the conquered territories had to pay high taxes if they kept their religion but weren't forced to change it. On the other side the islamic nations needed slaves ... (still better than kill them all and let God sort them out, as some Pope said back in the Days ...)
Though we have to see the Islamic Nations were more advanced than the Europeans in the early Middle-Age (i.e. Mathematics, Al-Chemie ...)
We were just the better Sword-Swingers  _________________ "Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule."
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:47 am |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny

Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
Location: The X place |
@DCole: i think he got them right, but with some adjustments, Islam prevented slavery and racisim, if anyone had working for somebody, he would have get a normal pay.
quote: Originally posted by Schattenherz
We were just the better Sword-Swingers.
Neither more advanced, nor better sword-swingers . _________________
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:15 am |
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Danicek
The Old One

Joined: 15 Dec 2001
Posts: 5922
Location: Czech Republic |
quote: Originally posted by X-dANGEr
Neither more advanced, nor better sword-swingers .
We have saying here "pride will have a fall". |
Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:50 am |
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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord

Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 406
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A.
The two choices...
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1)All the country get in Islamic religion(peacefull or millitaryfull, not bloodfull)
2)The country can stay in the religion they are in, but they will have to ransom this thing.
...though kinder than "kill them all and let God sort them out," still refer to some form of oppression.
B.
There is only one way for anyone to cooperate with the Iraqi people...
The Iraqis must hold an honest election and choose their own leaders.
Anyone who undermines the will of the people to choose their own leaders on a continual basis is attempting to conquer the Iraqi people. It appears to me that the terrorists are acting out of simple greed and not out of love for the Iraqi people. The terrorists are attempting to undermine the Iraqi electoral process and drive out the American so that they can rule over the people.
I do not believe that the current U.S. administration is acting out of love for the Iraqi people either. I believe it was simply taking a necessary step in whatever agenda the White House has. Nevertheless, the Iraqi people were oppressed. If the dictatorship they were living under could be replaced with a democracy it would be a good thing for them.
X-dANGEr said something that requires a response.
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First of all, you can say that a little non-Islamic person dies, more traitors die(they consider the policemen traitors for not fighting with the people), and less of Islamic non-traitors people, Btw, they doesn't target Iraqi's, even if they did, the Iraqis they targeted are corporating with the conquering enemy.
You seem to be saying that the terrorists (who are often not from Iraq) are justified in killing more Iraqi people than they kill Americans because the Iraqis that they kill are "cooperating with the conquering enemy." If you truly love the Iraqi people take time try to to put yourself in their position and see things from their perspective. When I try to see it their way certain questions come up...
1) If you have no policemen, who is going to ensure safety during the election? Someone has to do this job.
2) The Iraqi people have no other choice. They are not strong enough to resist. How can they be traitors to themselves for being in a situation that was forced upon them?
3) Who are the terrorists cooperating with? There has been no election to determine the rightful leaders of Iraq, so who gave the terrorists the authority to wage war on behalf of the Iraqi people?
4) What would happen if the US pulled out? Would these terrorists hold elections? Would they defend the rights of the Iraqi people or would they rule over the people as Sadaam Hussein did? Since many of the terrorists come from outside Iraq, wouldn't that make them conquerors?
You have to view this situation in terms of what is best for the Iraqi people. _________________ Always with you what can not be done. Hear you nothing that I say? - Master Yoda
Only the powerful are free. - Darrius Cole |
Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:38 pm |
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X-dANGEr
Unknown Destiny

Joined: 16 Jun 2004
Posts: 2383
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Ok, take this word, waht we want, me and all the muslims and Iraqi's from America, Plz. leave our country alone or maintain the security for another 2 months then bye, and of corse don't rob our resources, don't rop our oil. _________________
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:24 pm |
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Darrius Cole
Most Exalted Highlord

Joined: 04 May 2004
Posts: 406
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I want Iraq stable and American troops out as well. That is going to take longer than 2 months, though. The elections are not scheduled until January 2005 (3 months from now) and if the security forces pull out before the new Iraqi democracy can defend itself, oppressive parties will take over the country and resume oppression of the Iraqi people.
Still, I am no fool. I know European governments have a history of staying too long. I also know various factions within governments will steal. I can only say that I will vote for people who have reasonable strategies on how to deal with Iraqi situation, and who I believe are as in-corrupt as possible. _________________ Always with you what can not be done. Hear you nothing that I say? - Master Yoda
Only the powerful are free. - Darrius Cole |
Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:23 pm |
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Majnun
Village Leader

Joined: 02 Jun 2004
Posts: 89
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Guess what.
It was a spelling error. He was confused with someone who actually is a terrorist and has a similar name.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040926/wl_uk_afp/us_attacks_air_britain_040926095301
Feel better now? No matter your opinion on Iraq & terrorism the Patriot Act is a disgusting Orwellian thing. Also people being arrested and held indefinitely without ever being charged with ANYTHING and having NO recourse within the law is just WRONG. Period. We (America) are screwing this one up in a major way. Completely destroying people's freedoms and human rights in the name of defending those very things. Nice job. |
Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:39 pm |
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Bartacus
Il Buono

Joined: 24 May 2003
Posts: 4706
Location: Belgium Flemmish part |
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I amnot mistakes that the European countries attacked Islamic regions and seperated them from each other, and every country took it's share, then Palestine went to Israel, America came and stood by Israel and then conquered Afaganestan followed by Iraq.
I can tell you that this is a lie. Certainly not every european country had a colony in Arabic territory. Did you know that one of the bindings between Germany, Italy and Japan during WWII was that they didn't have any colonies. And I can also tell that Belgium only had some colonies in Central Africa. I guess there are many more European countries that never had any colonies in the Arabic part of the world.
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Every Islamic person and i think european civilians are made from America, Israel and Britain actions, they hate the goverment that rules the people, they thinks of the people as inisants except those who are satisfies with their goverment's bloodthirsty actions.
Nope, they aren't. It is only the US that has that impact. The 51st state and the rest of Europe just need to shut up when the US wants sth. I mean Germany, France and Belgium were against the invasion of Iraque and they just were made to stand down with their position. (non-official Economical sanctions) And about being bloodthirsty: I see neither good palestinians nor good Israelis in this war. And so I call both sides bloodthirsty, cause they want to take revenge on everything.
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Yes, eternal war, I meant that from the first of life(not the begining, but from tool long period, when the Crisian religion appeared), and people are fighting, once when Islam arrived, most of the people were barbarians except th europeans i think, Islam united them all, it all continued until France, Britain helped freeing the Islamic world from a bad ruler, they helped yes, but they seperated the countries of each other, and evry european country took it's share,then Britain gave Palestine to Israel braking their word to muslims, this is the point were most of the muslims started hating you, i mean Europpean and American, as for now, they don't have a lot of hate except the ones who their parents, brothers, sisters, sons, daughters are killed by the two nations mentioned upthere, as i know that American and Europpean people are inesant, also there is some racisim people(i mean recisim in religion), look at Germany, it never was attacked by any muslim, you wanna know the reason, you should look at Germany's profile, they didn't cause any harm to us, when you say Germanian or any other nationality in out cou8ntry, it is a good thing, except thos who encourages their goverment's bad actions.
1) Just for understanding: there were lots of other civilizations who were as advanced in other areas and perhaps even more then us. ex: Chinese society.
2)You speak of betrayal. This means that you have found some kind of evidence that the UK once said that this part of the world should be Islamic.
I can hardly believe that one, X-dANGEr. Still I don't consider it a wise thing to give the old home land of the jews back to them. Keep in mind also why they did that. During WWII the jews were almost an extinct 'race/relegion' in European mainland. They wanted to give them sth in return, but it was not theirs to give.
3)About racism: I know there are many forms of racism, but I don't like only one is being viewed everywhere in my country. The racism of the white man against a ... black man, jewish person, muslim. Look the AEL (Arabic European League) was able to put out that it would be best that gay people should be thrown of the highest tower in your neighbourhood. When another racistic group like 'Het Vlaams Blok' their would immediately a process against the people that said those things. -> You see that our system isnt exactly fair when I tell you that the first group has known criminals as members and that the second is now convicted for racism. (The second group said sth like 'Own people come first' and stuff like that.)
X-dANGEr: I would also fight when any country forces me to pay higher taxes just because of my relegion. This is oppressing a relegion and as you may think you're on the right side with your faith, I do think the same of mine. The difference is that I don't see why relgion has to interfere with the everyday life with the politics of your country. I'm for the rule that France declared -> no showable relegious items when you work for the governement. I don't think you would like to be served in your own country by someone with a big cross on his T-shirt. Well neither do I by a in a bourka dressed or even just a veil female. _________________ Moderator and Council Magician of the RPGDot Shadows
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Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:51 pm |
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Val
Risen From Ashes

Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
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@Majnun: I feel great. My prediction came true.  _________________ Freeeeeeedom! Thank heavens it's summer!
What do I have to show for my hard work? A piece of paper! Wee!
=Guardian, Moderator, UltimaDot Newshound=  |
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