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bleedingrose
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Gothicman: wow, a Claymore?? Aren't those pretty darned heavy?????

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I see myself as old. I probably did too much backpacking around europe in the 90s. After spending a half decade going to as many places as possible, seeing as much as possible, doing as much possible... settling into college for a diploma that didn't get me a good job, and settling into a job that barely covers my living expenses kind of sucked the life out of me.

Gone are my sword swinging, kung fu fighting, adventure seeking days. I love art in all forms, but write half-finished short stories, novels, and poems and long for the fires of my youth when I am just hitting my prime. I spend to much time looking for where I lost my fire and not enough time looking for ways to rekindle it. And I'm aware of it. I have all the makings of a bad anime villain.


wow. that's depressing enough to kill a thread... :smile:

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On 2002-03-21 00:27, EverythingXen wrote:
Fencing is all well and good... but I preferred training with a hand and a half sword.

It's about as subtle as I am.



I always favored two-handed swords like Claymore's, Flamberge's and such, that you really need alot of strength and endurance, as well as skill to handle well. I always wondered how a fencer would fare against a strong(to handle such a heavy, 5-6 foot long sword)and masterful two-handed swordsman. A 10-15 pound sword vs. a 2 pound sword. Probably would not be a whole lot of parrying going on on the fencer's side, at least if the swordsman put alot of force and strength behind his swings. Probably more dodging than anything else. The thrusts of a two-hander would not be so hard to parry though. Of course, I also wonder how a fencer would fare against other medieval weapons, such as a big, spiked flail. Those are very hard to parry, especially with a flimsy sword.

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EX: Oh please!!! My boyfriend is going to be 27 next month (I'm 23). He has a degree in history (which is worthless)...You're really only as young as you feel, so don't you DARE let yourself get down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 26 is way too young to feel that way. It's too bad you don't live in California!!! I need cool people to hang out with!!

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Hulk: you're probably right!! But luckily, fencers and those with maces didn't live in the same time!! And being 5'5", I don't think I could handle a 5'6" sword!! But then again, I would have probably been burned at the stake (in my current form) before actually getting to fight.

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It doesn't matter if you're using a foil or a claymore. All swords have one basic philosophy:

You stick the pointy end in the other guy.

If the claymore wielder was good, he'd fight the fencer sidearm style and use the superior reach to keep driving the fencer back in short controlled slashes until the fencer couldn't back any further.

The fencers option would be to pray for an opening to lunge through and hope for a mortal wound (hard with a foil. heart, eye, throat, mouth).

All comes down to the size, strength, and proficiency of the claymore wielder against the speed and proficiency of the fencer.

(Yes, size matters. Size = reach. Reach = dominance. The claymore is already two feet longer than the foil.)

If the fencer can keep dancing around until the claymore wielder is too tired to swing... they've won. If they get backed into a corner, they've lost.

Additionally, the fencer would lose the INSTANT they let their blade be hit by the claymore.

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quote:

On 2002-03-21 01:45, bleedingrose wrote:
Hulk: you're probably right!! But luckily, fencers and those with maces didn't live in the same time!! And being 5'5", I don't think I could handle a 5'6" sword!! But then again, I would have probably been burned at the stake (in my current form) before actually getting to fight.



Actually, what was the year people first started getting into fencing? Around 1500 or so? At that time, there was sort of a crossover, from medieval to renaissance. There were still knights in full plate armor, primitive firearms, and the beginnings of fencing swords, if I remember right. If I'm wrong, please forgive me. So, an experienced flail user could have come up against a fencer. Also, even at fencing's height of popularity in the 1600's, I'm sure there were still some people who were into antique weapons from centuries past(like falils) and who actually trained with them.

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quote:

On 2002-03-21 01:45, bleedingrose wrote:
Hulk: you're probably right!! But luckily, fencers and those with maces didn't live in the same time!! And being 5'5", I don't think I could handle a 5'6" sword!! But then again, I would have probably been burned at the stake (in my current form) before actually getting to fight.



I meant a 5-6 foot sword, not a 5'6" sword.

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On 2002-03-21 01:53, EverythingXen wrote:
It doesn't matter if you're using a foil or a claymore. All swords have one basic philosophy:

You stick the pointy end in the other guy.



Actually, that's not really true. With a sword like a claymore that can have a razor sharp edge, you can cleave the fencer in two(with a heavy enough sword and enough strength behind the swing) without bothering with poking at him with it.

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quote:

On 2002-03-21 02:02, The Hulk wrote:
Actually, that's not really true. With a sword like a claymore that can have a razor sharp edge, you can cleave the fencer in two(with a heavy enough sword and enough strength behind the swing) without bothering with poking at him with it.


Some didn't bother sharpening their heavy two-handed swords since it didn't cut through heavy plate armor well. But it sure did dent the armor and crush the bones beneath. Not very suble, but effective nonetheless.

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Fencing was created when dueling was outlawed (in France, I think). Running around armed was against the law, but young nobles wanted to duel each other over a million assinine reasons anyways. In order to do that they needed a weapon that had the length and abilities of a sword, yet could be easily concealed from the watchmen.

Thus, the foil. It could be hidden under a cape with ease (contrary to movies and shows such as Highlander, Blade, and the rest... it's NOT easy to hide a four foot sword in a cape or a coat.), or even tossed up onto a roof or hidden quickly in a gutter when spotters called that the guard was coming.

Foils were not used by the guards (until France's Musketeers during the Renaisance... when, since guns were invented, they didn't get much use.) Or in war. A foil user really wouldn't 'run into' a person wielding a morning star or claymore. Unless they were a young drunk noble from france kicking the door in to a barracks in england and poking madly at the guards.




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I always liked to swinging with swords in game, but never done it in real life, since there was no schools like that in my town
At least i never found any.


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quote:

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quote:

On 2002-03-21 02:02, The Hulk wrote:
Actually, that's not really true. With a sword like a claymore that can have a razor sharp edge, you can cleave the fencer in two(with a heavy enough sword and enough strength behind the swing) without bothering with poking at him with it.


Some didn't bother sharpening their heavy two-handed swords since it didn't cut through heavy plate armor well. But it sure did dent the armor and crush the bones beneath. Not very suble, but effective nonetheless.

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That's true, but not everyone had(or could afford)plate armor as it was very expensive. And that's why it payed to sharpen the edge of your sword, if your sword had an edge to it.

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You'd be better off joining a Golden Gloves gym or learning some sort of grappling than taking "traditional" martial arts IMO.
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quote:

bleedingrose wrote:
It's too bad you don't live in California!!! I need cool people to hang out with!!



What are you saying... There arn't enough cool poeple in California? I'm the coolest Rock Climbinb, Sword Swinging, RolePlaying, Offroad Driving, Snow Skiing, Gunslinging, Hiakido Fighting, Navy Seal Wannabe South of LA

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