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Do you accept same-sex marriage?
Anti - homosexual; sinful, unmoral & unnatural
27%
 27%  [ 16 ]
ambivalent - undecided, unsure, mixed feelings
5%
 5%  [ 3 ]
laissez-faire - noninterventionist, tolerant
27%
 27%  [ 16 ]
Pro - deeply believe in freedom & equality
39%
 39%  [ 23 ]
Total Votes : 58

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Back to the original topic again,

I voted laissez-faire - noninterventionist, tolerant. I don't really care what people do with each other as long as is between conscenting adults, and I don't believe the state should care either ... on the other paw I also don't want it shoved in my face ... either way! There should be no bias between same sex and different sex marriages.

That said, however, the trend of the future may well be same sex marriages, as there are too many people on the face of the planet as it is. To encourage same sex couplings (ala Halderman's Forever War) is a pretty no fail version of birth control

*That* said, I am a tried, tested and confirmed lover of women ... much to the dismay of some of my gay friends . In fact it has been a source of much amusement at times ... and I have learned to say no very nicely.
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How does one hand clapping sound? Hehehehhehehe...


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In one of Heinlein's books he encourages same-sex partnering as a form of birth control as well. He has the government reward same-sex partners well to make the option more attractive.

I can't ever see the real world governments doing this. It doesn't work being the biggest reason... gay women carry babies just as well as straight ones do. Gay men are winning adoption rights all over the place and looking towards surrogate mothers.
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In one of Heinlein's books he encourages same-sex partnering as a form of birth control as well. He has the government reward same-sex partners well to make the option more attractive.

I can't ever see the real world governments doing this. It doesn't work being the biggest reason... gay women carry babies just as well as straight ones do. Gay men are winning adoption rights all over the place and looking towards surrogate mothers.


Yeah, it doesn't work. Yet. There hasn't been the mass brain washing campaign ... yet. First step is to make heterosexual couplings disgusting and unclean in the public eye ... the second step is to paint the logical evidence of such a coupling (children) in the same light. This, of course, brings about the issue of continuing the race ... which can be dealt with as either a public duty (gross but someone's gotta do the dirty work) or done by cloning.

Edit - Thank's Xen .. yeah I messed up and missed it on re-read.
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I'm guessing you meant heterosexual relationships unclean and such since you mentioned issues about continuing the race. Seeing as otherwise your post makes no sense as same-sex relations have been considered unclean for... well... a while.
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quote:
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Why do some religious people need to ask these silly questions as a way to defend themselves?


Aha-ha. I love that laugh. It means I'm about to do something that I will love doing.

Tell me, how do you know that it all is made of little particles? By but only secondary observation these phenomena can one take a guess as to the fact that they are in fact there.

Then there's the whole issue of how else could the little particles be observed. I'm sure that you, as the most scientifically erudite person here, will know that photons are just a little tiny bit too large to actually bounce off of atoms, making a single atom impossible to illuminate - which leaves the only possible way to picture an atom by bouncing excited elections off of it and hoping that they stay in representative formation and are not touched by local electrical/magnetic forces.

Here's a not silly question. What is light? According to you, it's gotta be so rigid in its existence that it can be quite clearly defined. Yet... dammit... half way through the famous experiment, it defies classic definition as either a photon or wave... by being both photon and wave at once and neither at all. Then, the ludicrous experiment said that a single photon will pass through both parallel slits in the paper while moving in a straight line away from its source. Anyone who has a modicum of intelligence must see that science is not all what it appears to be, as it fails to successfully explain how a single point of light can pass through two places at once in such a basic experiment.

Here's another not silly question to hurt the little science bandwagon. If the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is true, that one cannot know the location of and the movement of an atom simultaneously, how the heck does absolute zero work? Again, the classical definition fails, as it defines absolute zero as the point at which molecular movement stops. This is a contradiction. If a molecule is stopped, it has no motion, but because it's stopped, its exact position could be painstakingly determined. The Uncertainty Principle is looking rather Uncertain. (A good one, if I say so myself! )

How do bears hibernate? Well golly me, they manage to do it without suffering from nitrogen poisoning from lack of urinating, and science has no idea how they manage. Such a basic question... unanswered. What is Dark Energy / Dark Matter? Its effects can be seen and observed, but "Frankly, we just don’t understand it."

Again, being the proponent of science that you are, I'm surprised that you didn't really examine my question on the deeper level. String Theory, Supersymmetry, and all the blessed rest of that course, quite clearly tell us that there should be somewhere around 11 dimensions in space. Up, down, left, right, forward, back, other up, other down, etc. Can you honestly suggest to me that by blowing out a candle in our little four dimensional hypercube that it is truly and completely gone? Impossible - the effects of its existence will be felt ad infinitum - the carbons it released are let out - anything that it caused a chemical change to is changed permanently. Its effects will be around until they are reversed, but even then, the effort required to reverse the effects of the candle could be spent elsewhere, meaning its negatively potential effects are, in theory limitless. Then we must consider all the other dimensions. The gravity created by the particles of the little flame is theoretically the only type of energy that is not bound to this dimensional plane - if you're confused, don't worry, this is a central and complex tenant to String Theory. The mere fact that its gravitational off givings, in the brief moments of its existence could have travelled by unbound higher dimensional pathways to places that are beyond our comprehension of how far away they are by 4 dimensional travel opens even more doors of thought... But, I digress, it is simply impossible to know where the flame went when it was clearly put out. Its effects are undeniably felt after its being blown out, but the flame itself most likely does exist elsewhere in a different facsimile form but a form nonetheless. I mean, why else would Planck-units gravity be so much weaker than electricity or magnetism?

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Even though people with the SLIGHTEST knowledge of science understand it? People aren't as ignorant as a few hundred years ago.


You're right, some of us are less ignorant now than we were a few hundred years ago by being able to admit when we realize how ignorant we really are!!
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Nicely done Sauron; one of your better efforts and I actually understood it all too. Mind you, I'm one of those who's been hanging around for several hundred years as well; you just hold your age better!!
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Belief brother, and everything that can not be explained through science is explained by just believing. Just believing can make everything real.

Us infedels are just plain stupid that we do not see this and that we demand proof beyond just believing. Wouldn't the world be a wonderfull place if we all just believed. The sun might even still be rotating around earth.... Bloody heretics.
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quote:
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Here's another not silly question to hurt the little science bandwagon. If the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle is true, that one cannot know the location of and the movement of an atom simultaneously, how the heck does absolute zero work? Again, the classical definition fails, as it defines absolute zero as the point at which molecular movement stops. This is a contradiction. If a molecule is stopped, it has no motion, but because it's stopped, its exact position could be painstakingly determined. The Uncertainty Principle is looking rather Uncertain. (A good one, if I say so myself! )


Easy my boy, easy. Absolute zero is an ideal ... never to be reached. The act of measuring a system to see if it was at absolute zero would introduce enough energy to boost it above it and we are left with Schroedinger's cat again (uh ... did I spell Schroedinger correctly??).

Think of it as one of the limits of the universe ... like Heisenberg and sort of like c ... although photons are allowed to attain v=c no other particle is so allowed.

Absolute zero does not even exist in interstellar space, the back ground radiation is about 2 degrees kelvin. This is considered to be the 'noise' left over from the big bang and is inversely proportional to the size of the universe, so there will *always* be some background radiation, no matter how long the expansion goes on.
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How the hell did this thread turn into a discussion on molecular physics??
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quote:
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Absolute zero is an ideal ... never to be reached. The act of measuring a system to see if it was at absolute zero would introduce enough energy to boost it above it and we are left with Schroedinger's cat again


Zero Kelvin can be neither observed nor reproduced, therefore it's nothing but a hypothesis. Just like God. But I don't see anyone doubting the existence of Zero Kelvin in here...
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Zero Kelvin can be neither observed nor reproduced, therefore it's nothing but a hypothesis. Just like God. But I don't see anyone doubting the existence of Zero Kelvin in here...





One can construct a series of experiments to asymptotically (sp???) approach zero degrees Kelvin in a scientifically measurable fashion. Can you say the same about god?

Anyway, you are incorrect to label it an hypothesis as absolute zero is a name given to a boundry of an open set ... or a limit point if you will. I have heard many descriptions of different gods, but never have I heard it/him/her/them called a boundry of an open set, a limit point or even an accumulation point (and yet another name for the same concept).
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quote:
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Tell me, how do you know that it all is made of little particles? By but only secondary observation these phenomena can one take a guess as to the fact that they are in fact there.

Then there's the whole issue of how else could the little particles be observed. I'm sure that you, as the most scientifically erudite person here, will know that photons are just a little tiny bit too large to actually bounce off of atoms, making a single atom impossible to illuminate - which leaves the only possible way to picture an atom by bouncing excited elections off of it and hoping that they stay in representative formation and are not touched by local electrical/magnetic forces.

Here's a not silly question. What is light? According to you, it's gotta be so rigid in its existence that it can be quite clearly defined. Yet... dammit... half way through the famous experiment, it defies classic definition as either a photon or wave... by being both photon and wave at once and neither at all. Then, the ludicrous experiment said that a single photon will pass through both parallel slits in the paper while moving in a straight line away from its source. Anyone who has a modicum of intelligence must see that science is not all what it appears to be, as it fails to successfully explain how a single point of light can pass through two places at once in such a basic experiment.



And why should it be so easy to explain why light can seemingly be at two places at the same time? Even though it has been recognized to have something to do with light having a double-nature, much like electrons and such.

Furthermore, don't overuse String Theory. And, don't make the mistake of believing that using it makes you look smart. It may be famous, but it's been heavily critized by a good deal of scientists (Stephen Hawking for one). It's far from as widely accepted as Quantum Theory etc. As for the "resonance throughout the dimesions" part of your little ejaculation... I have no idea where you got that from.

Here are a few pointers for you:

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How do bears hibernate? Well golly me, they manage to do it without suffering from nitrogen poisoning from lack of urinating, and science has no idea how they manage. Such a basic question... unanswered. What is Dark Energy / Dark Matter? Its effects can be seen and observed, but "Frankly, we just don’t understand it."



You didn't know that hibernating animals such as bears have to wake up every once in a while during their hibernation (maybe a week between) to pass out waste and perform other bodily functions? I suppose that's why you're religious.

Observing particles: Yes, you have to use electrons (although you can use light at higher frequencies, like gamma, although electrons are better suited), and I would say that you can be sure that there are no magnetic fields interfering, since you can measure magnetic activity in the nearby vicinity of the experiment, and you can perform the experiment at various places, gaining the same results. Like observing elemental particles. As for "second observation" either you detect things with photons (perhaps by using your eyes) or you do it by electrons (using microscopes and such), or you do it in other ways. What's so second about it? Science is based upon using the best means possible to prove something.

Light: How a photon can be at two places at the same time? As you've observed, the photon is both particle and wave, depending on the experiment you're performing. But you're right, science doesn't have the answer yet. It's probably at quanthum mechanic level, which is a RELATIVELY new part of science. But that's what so nice, the fact that science doesn't claim to have definite answers, unlike many religions, and instead is an ever-evolving process. And, by the way, when did I ever state that light has to be clearly defined as either or? Although it is pretty defined as is.

Then let's move over to... zero temperature: Oh... wait... Lintra already covered this one (although, neutrinos can move as fast as light, at least in ice, and gravitrons if they exist).
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Agree with this or not, right now it's a violation of CA State Law which currently prohibits marriages to same sex partners.

Here in CA, they are calling what is going on in SF 'civil disobediance.'

Without even debating the issue, I find it disgusting that there is such a in-your-face display of disregard for state law.

There are a lot of State Laws that I don't particularly agree with. I would like to see how some of these liberal law breakers would react with a little 'civil disobediance' from the conservatives - like a principal mandating prayer in a school.

Liberals wouldn't like that, and the ACLU would pounce on the issue citing a 'violation of State Law.' Where is the ACLU right now? They sure are mighty silent about the State Law being violated when it happens to be an act of civil disobediance they side with. Talk about a bunch of self serving hypocrites.
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