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Hagatha
King of the Realms
Joined: 10 Feb 2002
Posts: 456
Location: Burnaby, B.C. |
I'm in the Orc graveyard, and have rescued the Templar. I now have to go through three doors. THe problem is, I really cannot fight the Orcs. My hand to hand combat skills are useless, although I have mastery in One handed weapons and the Sword of Victory, I just cannot beat the Orcs. The Orc Warrior in particular is almost totally invulnerable to arrows, so I'm dead before I even start. Most of the time in hand to hand combat, I'm fine until the enemy moves around to the side. I just can't turn around fast enough to avoid getting hit - too many keys involved in combat to be able to function adequately - to hit, turn and then hit requires way too many steps and is too awkward.
Any tips on this? I'm at level 13 (actually 15 but I haven't used my level up points yet). |
Thu Feb 21, 2002 10:39 pm |
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The Hulk
Avenger, Defender
Joined: 19 Feb 2002
Posts: 728
Location: Southeast U.S.A. |
Well, normally I don't recommend this, but as a last result, you could always cheat and give yourself a free summon golem scroll or something and then let the golem kill the orcs.  |
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Thu Feb 21, 2002 10:58 pm |
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I've had the same problem first time.
Try to lure orcs one by one. You can kill all of them with not much difficulty . When only the Orc Warrior is left... Save game. Approach him. His favorite attack is run and frontal smash. Use your strafe keys to dodge it. (pageDown / delete - dark gray keys, or Q / E). Now hit him. Don't try to pull off anything funny. Just one regular swing. Retreat... Start dodging again. Unless you're close to him he'll never attemp any other attack other than run smash. If you're not doing any damage to him (you should though..) go back out, level a few times and add everything you can to strength.
Hope it helped.
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Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:24 pm |
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Gorath
Mostly Harmless
Joined: 03 Sep 2001
Posts: 6327
Location: NRW, Germany |
quote:
On 2002-02-21 16:39, Hagatha wrote:
THe problem is, I really cannot fight the Orcs. My hand to hand combat skills are useless, although I have mastery in One handed weapons and the Sword of Victory, I just cannot beat the Orcs. The Orc Warrior in particular is almost totally invulnerable to arrows, so I'm dead before I even start.
Itīs quite obvious that you need better equipment. The sword of victory is inadequate in this part of the game. At least get the Custodianīs Blade and the crossbow from the templar near the swamp.
The sword does 71 damage and requires 44 str.
If you want to play as a mage later on you should save ALL your learning points, which will be pretty hard. If you decide to continue the path of the warrior then spend the 20 points on str now.
Combined this gives you 45 more damage.
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Most of the time in hand to hand combat, I'm fine until the enemy moves around to the side. I just can't turn around fast enough to avoid getting hit - too many keys involved in combat to be able to function adequately - to hit, turn and then hit requires way too many steps and is too awkward.
Donīt you use the mouse? 
You should try to learn the combo attacks. As long as you manage to continue a combo, which is a matter of _your_ timing, the opponent wonīt even have a chance to hit you.
You can weaken the orc warrior with a fire storm spell. If you shoot him from distance he should have lost half his health when he reaches you.
[ This Message was edited by: Gorath on 2002-02-21 17:49 ] |
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Thu Feb 21, 2002 11:42 pm |
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Hagatha
King of the Realms
Joined: 10 Feb 2002
Posts: 456
Location: Burnaby, B.C. |
The combo attacks are what I'm having difficulty with - perhaps my old hands aren't as fast as they used to be - and that's always a problem with games that are heavy on more complicated combat moves. I have been using the old attack/run away combo pretty successfully so far. But I just realized that as my companion is invulnerable, I can use him to block the enemy and attack while they are attacking him. Can you say CHEESE? It works just fine, though, as long as I get past him in a tunnel. |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 12:27 am |
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Hagatha
King of the Realms
Joined: 10 Feb 2002
Posts: 456
Location: Burnaby, B.C. |
Ummm...unless Im missing something, the Templar weapons merchant doesn't have the Custodian's Sword. I already have a crossbow, but no skill in it - I don't think I've ever found anyone to train me in it. Where is this sword? |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:02 am |
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Gorath
Mostly Harmless
Joined: 03 Sep 2001
Posts: 6327
Location: NRW, Germany |
Correct. This is the standard templar sword, you canīt buy it now.
There is a named templar who is seeking swamp sharks. You could help him find one.  |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 1:30 am |
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Val
Risen From Ashes
Joined: 18 Feb 2002
Posts: 14724
Location: Utah, USA |
You don't need training in crossbow to be deadly with it.
[ This Message was edited by: Val on 2002-02-21 21:23 ] |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 3:23 am |
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ScOut3R
Tempered Warlord
Joined: 15 Feb 2002
Posts: 299
Location: Hungary |
I don't know what you did at the warrior, but i did damage on him with my bow. I shot him three times, then the half of his hp was left. Then i killed him on close combat with a one-handed sword. The whole thing took about 15 seconds. |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:38 am |
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NecroDancer
Protector of the Realm
Joined: 23 Dec 2001
Posts: 252
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My first time thru the game I kinda rushed it too. I was never ready for any of the tasks. They were all so difucult. From the Mine crawlers to Bloodwyns cronies.
In games after the first time, I took my time and built my strength up above anything else.
Once I got my strength to 40 I got the axe from Silas, mastered 1h and I was set. I could go after orcs at that point.
Fighting orcs is not a matter of speed or fast fingers, it is a matter of timing. When you train 1h and 2h, listen to what they say.
Plus I agree what they said above also. Lure them one by one. That goes for most animals. |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:28 am |
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Darnalak
Guards Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Jan 2002
Posts: 159
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Hrrm, that's odd, you should be taking hardly any damage from any of those mobs if your armor is upgraded to the max you can have for that area. The only creature that could even put a dent on me was the warrior at the end... (I hadda let him hit me to test my armor ).
PS: (broken record coming) THE ORC HAMMER MASHES EVERYTHING in this area
Darnalak,
The Necromancer |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 2:17 pm |
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Err... Dani... On that point of the game you should be Guard/merc with med armor... That's 65 defense against weapons I believe... You don't have access to great rings of invinc. So that's a max of 5 weapon protection on rings. And 15 max on ammy. That's about 65+10+15=90 protection against weapons...Orc Warrior carries a weapon with 65 dmg I believe... Plus like 50-100 str...
That's 115/165 dmg - 90 armor = 25/75 damage to you. At level 13 (that's around 200 hp). They'll kill you in less than 7-10 hits. You sure you didn't marvin and gave yourself Improved Ore armor?
-xVadX |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 8:36 pm |
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Darnalak
Guards Lieutenant
Joined: 30 Jan 2002
Posts: 159
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Nah, Never used marvin Mode, even after I solved it the first time. (trying to recall what I was wearing). I remember the lesser Protection rings... and there was a necklace protection ring too I think.
On the other hand, I rarely gave them a chance to hit me. Just started pummellin' with the hammah.
Darnalak,
The Necromancer |
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Fri Feb 22, 2002 9:27 pm |
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Lesser rings of Invincibility are useless... they give 5 weapon/5 arrow/3 fire/1 magic protection... That's good all around, but for the game... they're not too good. Before I get Great Invinc rings, I carry one 10 arrow and one 10 weapon. Makes much more sense. For me at least...
Probably because you barely got hit is why you had no problems with them. First time I played, I died at least 10 times to the orc warrior... I was using Stone Crusher and a long bow tho =) then I started strafing and killed him without getting hit once.
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Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:41 am |
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Hagatha
King of the Realms
Joined: 10 Feb 2002
Posts: 456
Location: Burnaby, B.C. |
I'm pretty sure I'm wearing the best armour I can get - I bought it from Diego. It was an improved light guard armour.
I am now in the search for the last of the five stones, and am once again facing ORcs in large numbers. I have only the broadsword that does 55 damage, and a crossbow. Now, I cannot keep on levelling up because I've killed everything in sight. Not a skeleton, thug, scavenger, wolf, snapper - nothing is left alive except for those huge Sahdowbeast things that I can't make a dent in, and an Ice Golem, which I just ran past to get into that tower.
So all of the discussion above is fine, but I STILL can't beat the orcs unless I kill them all, plus several dozen Orc Dogs, and a few snappers and biters, one at a time by attacking and then running, and that is just plain boring.
So is there better arnour and weapons at this point in the game? I'm kind of stuck here as there is literally nothing else for me to do except get that fifth focus stone, and I can't do it because the enemy here does not lure out one at a time - they are in large groups that attack en masse. 2 orcs at a time = death. |
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