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Who will be U.S president
Bush
53%
 53%  [ 16 ]
Kerry
46%
 46%  [ 14 ]
Total Votes : 30

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quote:
Originally posted by Roqua
quote:
Originally posted by Bartacus
I read in a Tom Clancy book that 80% of the American people have an already fixed vote. 40% republican and 40% democratic, the other 20% is the one that needs to be convinced. This means that even a Hitler/Stalin type at either party would have the support of 40% of the American people. From what I've read at some posts, I have to concure with this.

Bush's foreign affairs were a complete disaster. It's like in the most ridiculous American movies. Every country has to obey our rules except us. You see that in the movie with Samuel L. Jackson as army guy.(forgot the title) They make it sound okay that when you feel in danger you can open fire at an open crowd. I know there's sth as selfdefence, but a military unit is for me sth to avoid conflict. Can't understand why they let it sound that he was the victim. This person killed people. For me it will never be OK to kill any kind of people. Even not some guy as Marc Dutroux.(Those guys need to be locked up, no doubt, but to end any human life: NO!)
This movie is now played in real life by the Bush administration. We are good, others are bad. IMO, there's no group of good or bad people. Only misguided people. I see this in America as I see this in Iran. And Bush what does he do? He makes it even worse to live in peace and makes America target nr1 for terrorists. (I'm not talking about Afghanistan. That was actually a good thing)


Did you see the whole movie? His men were being killed, and he shouldn't of opened fire? He should of just sucked it up? If you had a weapon and someone was trying to kill you, you would stand there?

Or the loss of life on the Americans part is acceptible because they were Americans? So Americans can and should be killed with no retribution? We should meekly accept being shot at and killed and just try and defend the lifes that are not yet killed? That is rediculous.

No shots would have been fired if the troops were not fired upon first. No lives would have been lost if the embassy was not attacked. To expect any people to meekly accept being killed is rediculous. Unless you want to be inslaved or exiled like the Tibetans.


AND DO YOU THINK IT'S OK TO KILL PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T AMERICANS? The movie made that clear. If you think Rules of Engagement is the right way, I'l have no respect for you NOT AT ALL!
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:24 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Hexy

Ummm, what does 9-11 have to do with Saddam? I remember Bush trying to link Al-Quaida to Iraq, but that got shot down pretty fast, no?



Alot. Saddam praised for the 9-11 attacks. Saddam's funds terrorists groups to attack Israel and the US.

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Uh... yeah, the UN is mostly run by dictators, since the US is one of those who run it, right? The US was even one of those who took the initiative to create it. As for the Human Rights Commision; hello Guantanamo Bay...
Yeah, the US doesn't need the world! Right...


Hey we needed a place to put terrorists at. GITMO is the best choice. Since terrorists arnt POWs. They dont even serve a nation. If you read the international POW laws.
In order to be a POW:
A. Server a nation: al Queda is not serving for a nation.
B. Wear uniforms that shows what nation their serving. al Queda wears civilian clothing.
C. Must have prober identification.
Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:34 pm
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What? Nobody likes my moon server idea?
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:43 pm
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Here are my 2 cents about jobs.

First of all, our employment number is not bad at all. 5% unemployment is considered full employment. 6% like what we have is better than most countries in Europe. It just means people now can't pick and choose but there are still jobs available.

Second of all, the high number of unemployed workers are mainly from two areas. Manufacturing and high tech. Every other sectors are doing pretty well. In high tech, there are way too many foreign workers. Any skilled workers in tech all over the world can easily obtain a job in US mainly by using loopholes in our immigration policy. There used to be loopholes such as becoming a student for only one semester and quit school after getting a H1 visa. I don't know if it still exists or not. I know H1 visa is still very easy to obtain. Such system was created in mid 90's when US had a shortage of tech workers, but now US has a glut of foreign tech workers, this policy cannot be reversed because of political reasons. Politicians are afraid of saying we need less immigrants.

The government should completely stay away from economics. Politicians are not economic experts. They can only make decisions based on lagging indicators. People who blame Bush for the economy are generally not too educated.
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quote:
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What? Nobody likes my moon server idea?


Dont worry. Nobody liked my Kermit the Frog idea either.
Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:25 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by The Republican
Hey we needed a place to put terrorists at. GITMO is the best choice. Since terrorists arnt POWs. They dont even serve a nation. If you read the international POW laws.
In order to be a POW:
A. Server a nation: al Queda is not serving for a nation.
B. Wear uniforms that shows what nation their serving. al Queda wears civilian clothing.
C. Must have prober identification.

LOL, your kidding right? That includes every civilian who happened to left his identification at home.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:29 pm
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quote:
Originally posted by Myrthos
quote:
Originally posted by The Republican
Hey we needed a place to put terrorists at. GITMO is the best choice. Since terrorists arnt POWs. They dont even serve a nation. If you read the international POW laws.
In order to be a POW:
A. Server a nation: al Queda is not serving for a nation.
B. Wear uniforms that shows what nation their serving. al Queda wears civilian clothing.
C. Must have prober identification.

LOL, your kidding right? That includes every civilian who happened to left his identification at home.
Picking at word choice is below you, Myrthos. Would you feel better if he had said "Be able to supply proper ID within reasonable time of request"?
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:00 am
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Maybe, but then again, you might not know me that well.
I would have felt better if a 'civilized' country would not steep to the level where somebody can be detained without the normal legal representation.
Even if the answer would be that 'they' would treat 'you' or 'us' even worse, then that still doesn't justify locking people up outside of the legal system.
I don't want to argument the point what a terrorist deserves or not. The point is that who decides who is a terrorist? Is it impossible that somebody who just happened to be at the wrong time at the wrong place is now locked up? Or is that acceptable? Maybe next time Judge Dredd can be send out there.
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Post Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:15 am
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@Val- Oh God no! Not taxes! In case you forgot, 60% of the Bush tax cuts benefit the very upper class, which makes up roughly 1% of the population. He just want's their money contributions for his campaign. Oh yeah, and their influence if they have it. Besides, do you realize how much of a pay cut teachers have been having to take? You see, teachers teach school, and school gives people education, and if we take money from school, we produce dumber Americans. You see, if we don't pay teachers more, none of the smart people are going to want to teach, and we're going to have to stop being at all choosy about who gets a teaching job. And if we hire crappy teachers, kids don't get as good an education, which results in more low-income families (and fewer kids going to college), thus making the gap between rich and poor much wider.

And to the person (I forgot who) who said that the Bush tax cuts got us out of recession, nobody knows what got us out of recession. The Bush Administration just claims it did, to boost their support (and it's pretty obvious they did indeed boost their support ). Besides, Bush got us into millions (or is it billions?) of dollars in debt from this stupid "Operation Iraqi Freedom" War (oh, BTW, it started out apparently to find WMDs, but then changed when none were found).

Now, I don't think Kerry will be the best president we've ever had (if he's elected), but he's better than Bush. Bush is definitely one of the worst. Oh, BTW, Bush is stupid (he pronounces the word "nuclear" as "nuk-u-ler." I mean, jeez, you should at least know your own language!), and he just bought his education to make himself look smart.

Actually, I would vote for Korplem if I was old enough. I mean, it's not like my vote would matter anyway (I live in Georgia, a Republican-dominated state). Go Korplem! Video games for all!!
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quote:
Originally posted by Ammon777
quote:
Originally posted by Korplem
What? Nobody likes my moon server idea?


Dont worry. Nobody liked my Kermit the Frog idea either.


And why wouldn't I?
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quote:
Originally posted by Myrthos
LOL, your kidding right? That includes every civilian who happened to left his identification at home.

And yet they didn't forget their AK-47.

quote:
Originally posted by dteowner
Why not give the job to Val? The Infamous Chipper/Shredder might do wonders for Washington gridlock.

Hmm... Supreme Dictator of the USA. I like the sound of that.

Get along! Or I'll deport you!
Not to mention my chipper/shredder would make nice fire starter out of half of the worthless laws on the books, that campaign finance reform bill would be one of the first ones on the list to be shredded. Follow that up with actual budjet cuts and the elimination of worthless programs and hand-outs. Pork-barrel for dinner anyone?
Then some major education reform. To the kiddies: You're there to learn! Get used to it! If you don't like it, then get out, we aren't going to babysit you! That's your parents' job.
To the the majority of the top-heavy administartion: You're fired! Get a real job! Like, oh I don't know, becoming an actual educator, like a teacher!
So many, many things I could do.

@MageofFire: Question: Who employs the vast majority of the American people? Answer: Rich people in the private sector.
Do you know what happens when rich people have more money? Most of them don't just lock it up in a vault somehere. They invest it or spend it. What happens when the market gets flooded with investment capital and people willing to spend money? Growth. Growth in spending. Growth in consumer confidence. Growth in demand. What happens when there is increased demand? There must be an increase in supply to meet that demand. How do we get more supply? By employing more people and resources to create that supply. What happens when more people have jobs? They're happy. They have money too!
Thus ends out economic lesson for the day.
Sorry, the old class warfare argument doesn't work on someone who has actually studied economics.

As for your teacher argument, my dad is a teacher. He made more this year than he has in his entire career as a teacher. And Utah isn't well know for paying teachers a high salary. And yet we still manage to score higher on tests nationwide. Especially compared to the school district that pays their teachers the most in the nation and has the 2nd worst test scores in the nation. That's the Washington DC school district, btw.
And on a side note, due to Bush's tax cuts, my parents will actually get money back this year as opposed to the Clinton years when they had to pay taxes and made less.
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quote:
Originally posted by MageofFire
@Val- Oh God no! Not taxes! In case you forgot, 60% of the Bush tax cuts benefit the very upper class, which makes up roughly 1% of the population. He just want's their money contributions for his campaign. Oh yeah, and their influence if they have it. Besides, do you realize how much of a pay cut teachers have been having to take? You see, teachers teach school, and school gives people education, and if we take money from school, we produce dumber Americans. You see, if we don't pay teachers more, none of the smart people are going to want to teach, and we're going to have to stop being at all choosy about who gets a teaching job. And if we hire crappy teachers, kids don't get as good an education, which results in more low-income families (and fewer kids going to college), thus making the gap between rich and poor much wider.




Couple comments here. Top 1% richest people in US pay 33% of all taxes in US. Top 4% pay 50% of all taxes. If you give tax cuts to everyone, that's going to happen. You could argue Bush could say he only gives tax cuts to middle and lower class and none to upper class. Politically that's not going to fly.

It's sad that we have to cut teacher's wages, but that's not the reason we are producing dumber kids. The issue is a lot more complex than that, and I don't think Bush has anything to do with it. First of all, our school system has a lot of administrative staffs than before. In some school district in where I live, there are more staffs than teachers. Schools in the past consist of almost all teachers and no staffs. You have to wonder why do we have those extra bureaucracy earning 6 figure salaries in our school system.

Second of all, schools in US are taught in slower pace than schools elsewhere. Students are taught at a pace that even the most retarded kids can follow. Because of that, all kids become equally retarded. In short, racial politics has a lot to do with it. Blacks and Hispanics on average do poorly in school, and schools have to pander to them. The democrats always originate racial politics and cause divisiveness.
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I vote for Kerry cause if he becomes president the he's gunna pull the soldiers out of Iraq.
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And then Iraq sinks back into a dictatorship that fuels terrorism. Or just becomes an anarchist state where it's people are exploited and the entire interior falls to ruins.
No thanks. We're already there and I vote we stay there until Iraq is well on it's way to joining the ranks of new democracies that are making it on their own and doing a good job of it. Reading parts of their new constitution brought a smile to my face. I'd like to see them keep it alive, if just for their sake.
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Val's right, being there means that we have an obligation to finish what we started. We can't just 'throw it back into the firey chasm from whence it came'.
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